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Old 09-11-2014, 03:04 PM   #1
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Cold weather camping

Unexpected weather brings up this question.

Weather in the 20's at night, 40-50 during the day. Have underside foam, no heat pads, extra insulation, and thermal windows. No city water, just the holding tank.

Keeping the inside of the trailer in the 60's at what point do I need to be concerned with draining the on board water?

If needed the best I can come up with for in the campground prep is drain the fresh tank, open the faucets and let gravity do it's thing, dump the tanks. Any other ideas?
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Old 09-11-2014, 03:34 PM   #2
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Unexpected weather brings up this question.

Weather in the 20's at night, 40-50 during the day. ... dump the tanks. Any other ideas?
My plan - as yet unproven - is to add a bit of RV antifreeze to the Gray and Black holding tanks. I figure that would prevent a solid freeze up, and that frozen slush, should it get really cold, isn't a problem.

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You will be fine as long as it gets above freezing during the day and you keep heat on and do as Alan says. All your lines are inside and the tanks are foamed over. Your back up plan of action is a good to use if you decide to turn off your heat until you get home and drop some antifreeze in the p traps.
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And on a lighter note - a little Jack Daniels to the fresh water tank. Just drink the gray water to recover your investment.
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Tough guys in Colorado.
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When we had the Chinook in the winter we used to add some pink stuff to the black and gray tanks before using again on the theory it would remain in the dump valve mechanism. Never had worse than slushies even at 0 degrees C. With your set up i think that is the only vulnerable area on the waste side of your rig.
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Thanks, I've got a gallon here, will add some to the close to empty tanks. Can't hurt.
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reflector panels for flat solar panel

So some folks are using reflector panels to increase the efficiency of vertical panels on houses. Why wouldn't that work for the horizontally mounted (Escape wouldn't mount the adapters to elevate our 160w panel). You could position the panel basically over the flat panel tilted down towards it (I'll do the math eventually). Would seem to be an improvement in angle from what we will get in the PNW this winter.

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Would seem to be an improvement in angle from what we will get in the PNW this winter.

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I just started a project where I will be measuring the output of a couple of homemade solar panels. The first (and only completed) test today was measuring the output based on angle.

Output in this case is short-circuit amperage. That's not "power" but I only had a few minutes and amperage is easy to measure. The results: Any angle over horizontal will give a significant increase. The measurements were made at 10am in Denver. Sun angle is rather low and I will have to look it up if I want to be more precise*. With the panel pointed directly at the sun I measured an increase of almost 100% over horizontal. From there, up to 90 degrees vertical, the output improvement was 80% or better. Conclusion: Get that horizontal panel up 30 degrees if at all possible this time of year. Side conclusion: Reflection from the table seemed to add 10% when the panel was vertical. Perhaps another test in the future will be to see how much is gained from having white paper in front of the panel vs. grass.

*This is a hobby project to keep me occupied while waiting for our '21. So precision may not be high up on my priority list.

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