electrical schematic

[jamman]

The furnace comes out and goes back in quite readily - makes for lots of room. Leave the outside part alone, just take out the inside bits. Turn the propane and 12V disconnects off. A few screws, the gas connection, and watch out for the power and thermostat wires.

And while you are there you could add the extra door markvt put in.

[Ron in BC]

Would you, in effect, disconnect those outlets from the converter feed?

I don't want to loose them when on shore power so I'm going to look at puting a DPDT switch by the converter so that I can have both functions. That would also eliminate the need to run new cable.

Ron

[padlin]

May be able to wire in this Inline Transfer Relay

[MyronL]

Help! Bloody furnace still won't pull out. What am I missing?

[jamman]

I *think* it just pulls out, I think mine was a bit stiff.

*Maybe* the screw by the gas valve at the bottom left?

[escape artist]

Hi: MyronL... Did you disconnect the vent outside? Is that necessary for removal? Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

[Ron in BC]

Whoa up for a sec. Myron. If all you want to do is get power from under the dinette, curb side, can't you just send it over to the converter side, easy to do with that front panel there. Then remove the outlet wire from the breaker in the converter and send power to the outlet that way.

Or, are you going to split the receptacles, making 1/2 shore power and 1/2 inverter power?

Ron

[MyronL]

Noo. And nooo. Sending wires via the street side from dinette (inverter) to below the fridge where a second duplex serving only DC will be placed. Alf, also nooo-- after consultations with Doug I was able to get the furnace out. Its exhaust vent tubes were a little stuck together in there, slipped apart after mild but firm persuasion.

[Ron in BC]

OK, got it , a completely new duplex outlet serving only the inverter.

Just finished a big volunteer project today so I've got time now to pursue a similar project. I want my outlets, including the microwave one, to be dual purpose so I'm looking at putting in a simple transfer switch.

"firm persuasion" That's what I call my big hammer

Ron

[MyronL]

Well I'm done for the night. Cut the hole for new electrical box just above existing factory duplex. This a tad tricky because of risk to nearby wiring. Reinforcement behind paneling made securing the box in the hole easy.

Used plumbers coiled spring steel on a reel to fish through chase and pull through new wires but no way I was able to do this without first pulling out the furnace. That was made difficult until 3 wires holding things back were disconnected.

Connected wires to the new duplex, and then to a 15 amp fuse block in the big brown fuse terminal under street side dinette seat. Multimeter in duplex showing 13.2 volts. But, no appliance will turn on when plugged in. Xantrex inverter has no terminals for auxiliary lines. You can only use the duplex outlets on its front face. Now what?

As stated, I'm done for tonight. I need rest.

[jamman]

Originally Posted by MyronL

Well I'm done for the night. Cut the hole for new electrical box just above existing factory duplex. This a tad tricky because of risk to nearby wiring. Reinforcement behind paneling made securing the box in the hole easy.

Used plumbers coiled spring steel on a reel to fish through chase and pull through new wires but no way I was able to do this without first pulling out the furnace. That was made difficult until 3 wires holding things back were disconnected.

Connected wires to the new duplex, and then to a 15 amp fuse block in the big brown fuse terminal under street side dinette seat. Multimeter in duplex showing 13.2 volts. But, no appliance will turn on when plugged in. Xantrex inverter has no terminals for auxiliary lines. You can only use the duplex outlets on its front face. Now what?

As stated, I'm done for tonight. I need rest.

Myron,

You need to run romex from the inverter outlet (110V) to the new duplex outlet under the fridge. You want 110V AC (not 12V DC) to "normal" outlets.

1) Take some romex, put a plug on it (watch polarity), plug it into the inverter, run the romex back into the dinette and behind the shower and hook it up to the new outlet.

2) Take apart the outlet on the inverter and connect the romex to it and run it to the new outlet. This might let you keep all the wire under the dinette.

3) Move the inverter so the outlet is inside the bench and make 2 "extension" cords, one to the new outlet as in #1 and one to another new outlet where the inverter was mounted under the bench.

Email/call me if you want to take this offline.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by jamman

Myron,

Email/call me if you want to take this offline.

Don't do that, others are interested. OK Myron, you worked hard today, take the rest of the day off

Ron

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by MyronL

Well I'm done for the night. Cut the hole for new electrical box just above existing factory duplex. This a tad tricky because of risk to nearby wiring. Reinforcement behind paneling made securing the box in the hole easy.

Used plumbers coiled spring steel on a reel to fish through chase and pull through new wires but no way I was able to do this without first pulling out the furnace. That was made difficult until 3 wires holding things back were disconnected.

Connected wires to the new duplex, and then to a 15 amp fuse block in the big brown fuse terminal under street side dinette seat. Multimeter in duplex showing 13.2 volts. But, no appliance will turn on when plugged in. Xantrex inverter has no terminals for auxiliary lines. You can only use the duplex outlets on its front face. Now what?

As stated, I'm done for tonight. I need rest.

Sounds like you need a transfer switch?

[Jubal]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

Sounds like you need a transfer switch?

Transfer switches are convenient. ETI wired split duplex outlets directly from the inverter before they would install transfer switches.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by Jubal

Transfer switches are convenient. ETI wired split duplex outlets directly from the inverter before they would install transfer switches.

Are you saying that ETI wires the outlets the same as split outlets in kitchens etc.?
Where the top and bottom receptacles are on different circuits or, in that case, on different power supplies?

Ron

[dave1]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

Are you saying that ETI wires the outlets the same as split outlets in kitchens etc.?
Where the top and bottom receptacles are on different circuits or, in that case, on different power supplies?

Ron

Yes. Prior to the transfer switch they offered the dinette plug split as you described with the install of the inverter, then charged for each additional plug you wanted split into inverter/ac.

Dave

[Ron in BC]

Thanks, so my advice to Myron wasn't all that oddball

I'll be tracing circuits today. Primarily I want the microwave circuit to be usable for both power sources as well other outlets. But it seems simpler to install a DPDT switch to do that then run second sets of cable.

Ron

[jamman]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

Thanks, so my advice to Myron wasn't all that oddball

I'll be tracing circuits today. Primarily I want the microwave circuit to be usable for both power sources as well other outlets. But it seems simpler to install a DPDT switch to do that then run second sets of cable.

Ron

Agreed. Even easier is an ETI installed transfer switch (at least the way they wire it now.)

I prefer an automatic transfer switch, just turn the inverter on and there you go.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by jamman

Agreed. Even easier is an ETI installed transfer switch (at least the way they wire it now.)

I prefer an automatic transfer switch, just turn the inverter on and there you go.

Ah, too easy, I like beating my head against the wall

Actually it does feel like I've been beating my head against the wall since I've spent the afternoon up close and personal with the electrical panel.

I have a much better understanding of how the trailer's wired. The labels on the panel leave a bit to be desired.

I'll draw up something at some point because it might be of use to others.

One plus; found the taped off lomex marked A/C ready. Don't expect to use it but nice to confirm it's there.

One negative; the microwave circuit has a splice in it that feeds the converter power supply. Good thing I found it before I tied that wire into the inverter. Otherwise I might have tried to invent perpetual energy. Battery sends power to inverter, inverter sends power to converter, converter sends power to battery

Disconnected m/w breaker wire, jumpered it inverter, microwave was happy and made a cup of coffee for me.

So, with the goal of having inverter power to the microwave and one other outlet, I'll keep it simple and install a DPDT switch for the m/w branch wire and use the inverter outlet for the dinette area.

Ron

[MyronL]

"...Ah, too easy, I like beating my head against the wall...'

Exactly what I've been doing today. Say, did you know Xantrex uses JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) style Phillips screws? Lots of them.

In brief, no joy all day... (don't ask)... finally decided to add a line from the Xantrex Inverter's duplex outlet that tomorrow I hope will solve everything.

Need more bed rest.