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Old 04-09-2014, 02:40 PM   #11
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Yes, supplemental means hook ups, but with temperatures down to freezing- my 32/your 0 I would not be afraid of getting by with the propane furnace. The Atwood 8012 has the lowest 2 amp draw on the market, assuming 24 hours of heat in a solar cycle @ 50% run is 24 amps, you will not need the furnace and fan together, fan is more for cooling, just opening the vent will take care of condensation. maybe another 10-15 for other so your use of about 40 amps per solar day. The dual 6's will be adequate with over 100 amp reserve. Your heat pads should not be used unless you are hooked up, that is why I dropped them off my new Escape. I had them one my other Escape and only used them while hooked up, They will go thru a battery real quick and with the furnace you will not need them. They are thermostatically controlled, on at 30 and off at 40. But you do have an on/off switch to turn them off, make sure of that.
My calculation for a winter or summer day is about 30-35 amps, with a single group 29 battery and 130 amps, I have about 1/2 of the 2x6's reserve. Unless you use a lot of 12v, you may be fine with just the2 batteries and 2 panels. Just my $.02 worth and from my past experience in camping with solar.
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Yes, supplemental means hook ups, but with temperatures down to freezing- my 32/your 0 I would not be afraid of getting by with the propane furnace. The Atwood 8012 has the lowest 2 amp draw on the market, assuming 24 hours of heat in a solar cycle @ 50% run is 24 amps, you will not need the furnace and fan together, fan is more for cooling, just opening the vent will take care of condensation. maybe another 10-15 for other so your use of about 40 amps per solar day. The dual 6's will be adequate with over 100 amp reserve. Your heat pads should not be used unless you are hooked up, that is why I dropped them off my new Escape. I had them one my other Escape and only used them while hooked up, They will go thru a battery real quick and with the furnace you will not need them. They are thermostatically controlled, on at 30 and off at 40. But you do have an on/off switch to turn them off, make sure of that.
My calculation for a winter or summer day is about 30-35 amps, with a single group 29 battery and 130 amps, I have about 1/6 of the 2x6's reserve. Unless you use a lot of 12v, you may be fine with just the2 batteries and 2 panels. Just my $.02 worth and from my past experience in camping with solar.
Thanks for the info - very useful.

I believe one of the main difference in usage pattern between us will be the 12v/110v usage - we plan to use our laptops liberally during the evenings and the nights. We will probably end up using the 12v TV quite a bit as well. And since all this happens when the sun is already down, I will need more battery capacity.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:57 PM   #13
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Most computers are 12v if they have one of those black bricks, thus you may only need 12v and no 120v via an inverter.
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Most computers are 12v if they have one of those black bricks, thus you may only need 12v and no 120v via an inverter.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:29 PM   #15
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Plus, for some reason, even the new 5.0 features smaller holding tanks than the Escape 21 and for me, bigger holding tanks is a BIG plus. If I could pay extra to get larger holding tanks, I would.
Don't know where you read that... maybe an Classic 5 brochure? But the new 5er and the 21' have the same 30 gallon holdings tanks for gray and fresh. Right now the black is TBD, but the 21 has a 22 gallon blackwater tank, I'm betting so will the new 5er.

Besides, why do you want to store so dang much dirty water? If you're a boondocker OR in an unimproved site, there are plenty of ways to get rid of it rather than store it and it doesn't mean you have to hookup and drive to a dump station. That can be a huge amount of unnecessary weight to take down the road...
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Don't know where you read that... maybe an Classic 5 brochure? But the new 5er and the 21' have the same 30 gallon holdings tanks for gray and fresh. Right now the black is TBD, but the 21 has a 22 gallon blackwater tank, I'm betting so will the new 5er.

Besides, why do you want to store so dang much dirty water? If you're a boondocker OR in an unimproved site, there are plenty of ways to get rid of it rather than store it and it doesn't mean you have to hookup and drive to a dump station. That can be a huge amount of unnecessary weight to take down the road...
Oh they need to update their website in that case - it says 20/26/19g...

Our preference is to camp at more remote national and province parks. There are dump stations in those locations but I prefer not to move the trailer for at least one week if at all possible. I'm not too concerned about the black tanks but the fresh and the gray, I prefer to have larger tanks. I may carry some fresh water down the road but not likely to carry gray or black water on the travel.
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That's my point, you don't have to move the trailer. I can't help with adding to the freshwater supply other than to say to carry a collapsible five gallon jug and fill the freshwater as needed.

Now the gray water can be dumped into any gray water drain. I don't know about the parks you stay at, but in most of the parks I stay at there are gray water disposal sites about every third site. I made a homemade blue tote for less than $20 and can drain off graywater daily, pickup the tote and drain. Or if you're truly boondocking, dig a hole and pour it in (following environmental rules of course). I use the same tote to drain off blackwater and either put that down the pit toilet or take it up to the shower house and down a flushy.

With this method, gray and black water holding tanks are never an issue. YMMV
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Oh they need to update their website in that case - it says 20/26/19g...
Correct. The specs and photos are of the original 5.0, not the new 5.0 TA (the first one of which is now under construction).
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Now the gray water can be dumped into any gray water drain. I don't know about the parks you stay at, but in most of the parks I stay at there are gray water disposal sites about every third site.
This definitely varies by region. I've seen sewer service at sites, and at a common location for the campground, but I've never seen a gray-only sewer, or any kind of sewer dispersed around the campground this way. Granted, that's from a relatively small sample of public and private campgrounds in six provinces, and as few as only two locations in each province.
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Most computers are 12v if they have one of those black bricks, thus you may only need 12v and no 120v via an inverter.
Not that I've seen. While there are power supply bricks available that run from 12 VDC (usually aftermarket, not from the computer manufacturer), I have only seen one brand that accepted 12 VDC directly - that was Apple, it didn't work very well, and it no longer works for any current model from them.

Common laptop computer input voltages are around 19 volts. The 12V-in aftermarket "travel" power supplies are a good way to avoid using an inverter.

Small televisions, on the other hand, are commonly 12 VDC in if they use an external brick.
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