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Old 09-09-2016, 09:40 AM   #21
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In all the years of filling these tanks I never had anyone use the bleeder or whatever it's called till I started traveling out west. In the old days it was by weight, and once in a great while someone still does it that way. Mostly now it must be by back pressure or some such. The pump just cuts out when done. Many do still have the scale that they put the tank on to fill, but they don't use it. At least around my house.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:42 AM   #22
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The issue seems to be that when you had the tanks filled, you failed to completely screw on the hose connector from the trailer to the tanks. As others have stated, if the connectors are not tightened completely, they will not allow the propane to be delivered from the tanks into the hose. (And the indicators on your regulator will show "red" as you observed. This was probably a worthwhile lesson for you to learn, as I suspect you will not make the same mistake again.


While I could be wrong, I tightened up the hose connector very tightly to the tank. There was no more to tighten. I think it has something to do with the way the first guy filled the tank. I have no idea what that was, but the guy today got the vapor to come out.

Of course I don't know too much about that at all, I just know that when I brought them back today at work. I did nothing difference in the way I connected to the trailer. Kind of like at work when someone says there is something wrong with their computer, and I go over to troubleshoot, it always been a perfectly. They always get mad!


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In all the years of filling these tanks I never had anyone use the bleeder or whatever it's called till I started traveling out west. In the old days it was by weight, and once in a great while someone still does it that way. Mostly now it must be by back pressure or some such. The pump just cuts out when done. Many do still have the scale that they put the tank on to fill, but they don't use it. At least around my house.
That's interesting. Most of the local dealers around here don't use the bleeder valve, but when we're in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, etc, many of them do. Why the west?

The fill level of the tank can be affected by altitude and by temperature, so maybe the use of the bleeder somehow compensates for that? No idea.

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Old 09-09-2016, 09:50 AM   #24
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There seems to be a number of different ways suppliers "fill" tanks. Some do it on a scale by weight (although I haven't had anyone use that technique in a couple of years), others open the relief screw & fill until vapor comes out, and at least one just filled the tank until it stopped. I've ended up with everything from 3.8 gallons to 4.9 gallons in an empty tank. According to my weight to volume calculations, 4.7 gallons is a full tank...
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Many propane dealers (including most of the ones we use) will open the bleeder valve about 1/4 to 1/2 turn during filling and look for liquid coming out. That ensures the tank is full regardless of whether you're filling by weight or by volume.

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In 40 years, and 100's upon 100's of propane bottles being refilled, I have never seen this bleeder valve fill before. I never even knew it was possible. Maybe here in Canada is is law to fill by weight?
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Over 30 years of filling tanks at many different stations, and all use the bleeder screw every time. It MUST be a West thing.
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Over 30 years of filling tanks at many different stations, and all use the bleeder screw every time. It MUST be a West thing.
It is definitely not a West thing, as I have never seen it (if Canada is allowed consideration ). It must be a Western US thing. I guess on my trips down there I have never needed to refill my bottles. Because I only pay for how much they actually add to my bottles, I usually start any long trip with them full.

I assume then that filling by use of this bleeder valve, they are still able to charge for what is used by volume?
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When we were getting a bottle filled in Durango CO I asked why the funny way to fill, was told it's a state reg, not surprising.

Just looked it up for MA, says dispensers must use the Propane Councils recommendations which say for under 200lb tanks you must go by weight. There are auto shutoffs that go by the weight, which is what I must run into locally. Going through the councils training manual there is nothing about bleeding except during a purge.

May be that some states use a different set of regs.
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In a closed system a bleeder is necessary to allow the liquid to enter the system, otherwise air will prevent filling.
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It is definitely not a West thing, as I have never seen it (if Canada is allowed consideration ). It must be a Western US thing. I guess on my trips down there I have never needed to refill my bottles. Because I only pay for how much they actually add to my bottles, I usually start any long trip with them full.

I assume then that filling by use of this bleeder valve, they are still able to charge for what is used by volume?
Yes, Western States thing. Didn't mean to exclude our amigos to the north. I have always paid by volume in U.S. gallons and tenths of gals.. So only pay for what is added. The bleeder valve must be a state by state regulation as it is always used in my experience, filling only in CA.
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In a closed system a bleeder is necessary to allow the liquid to enter the system, otherwise air will prevent filling.
True, but provided there's no air in the tank (and there shouldn't be when it's empty, since as the propane is emptied, it's not replaced with air) there's no need to purge it. I've only ever assumed they open the bleeder when filling to verify the fill level.
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