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03-14-2016, 10:35 AM
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#461
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
Trailer: 2013 Escape 21 Classic Number 6, pulled by 2018 Toyota Highlander
Posts: 8,217
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I kinda like our Escape. I even expressed that on Fiberglass yesterday. Got
some positive feedback from other Escape cheerleaders. My Daughter was a high school cheerleader, now she would like to get a fiberglass camper. She's a graduate of the Fisher School of Business at Ohio State. Some day I will have her explain to me all about business models. Nut don't roll too far from the tree they say.
Dave
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03-14-2016, 10:41 AM
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#462
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Location: ..., New Mexico
Trailer: 2013 Esc19/'14 Silvrado
Posts: 4,193
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Alf, it also seems like a solution for the self-medicated.
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"A billion here, a billion there...add it all up and before you know it you're talking real money." Everett Dirkson
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03-14-2016, 10:50 AM
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#463
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0TA / 2016 Ram Eco Diesel 4X4
Posts: 8,034
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MyronL
Alf, it also seems like a solution for the self-medicated.
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Hi: MyronL... The interior's of both seem institutional to me... but then I'm only an Escape "Cheerleader". Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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'16 Ram Eco D. 4X4 Laramie Longhorn CC & '14 Escape 5.0TA
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03-14-2016, 11:01 AM
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#464
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Trailer: 2013 Escape 19
Posts: 247
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MyronL
You stumpted me, Jubal. Where's Oliver getting this model? Camping World doesn't list it. They do have an "Elite" on sale for $2,799.97 but it don't seem to be an RM2454 and they don't give its dimentions. Dometic does mention an Americana single door RM2454, but it is a whopping 4.28 cu.ft.
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Myron,
It's the same size as we have now for all real life purposes. Key factor if it can get thru the door, and is the freezer is removable. I know it works better than what we have now because I went thru an Oliver last summer, their fridge was running well at about 3 dots while mine was on 5 dots and just at 40 degrees.
Dave
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03-14-2016, 11:02 AM
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#465
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 19' & 2013 15B
Posts: 2,634
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I guess that I am also a cheerleader.
Reace was proactive in identifying a potential issue with the solar panel attachments and recommended a fix for all affected trailers even though problems had been encountered by only a small percentage. In my opinion, that is good proactive thinking on his part. I stopped in at ETI last August to have them do their recommended upgrade on improving the attachment of the solar panel to the roof of my 2013 19'. When they were done, their method of attachment was not visible from the inside of the trailer and from the inside I could not see any signs of holes, bolts, buttons, etc. Based on my experience, I don't think that anyone needs to worry about the impact of the ETI "fix" on the interior looks or usability of their trailer.
The Escape trailers are by no means perfect (nothing is), but Escapes are definitely well made, especially in comparison to other brands with similar features. It seems that a couple of the most negative posters on this forum have had issues with their Escapes that have been understandably troubling to them, but for the most part, those problems are not widespread and are certainly not indicative of the experience of most Escape owners. The refrigerator cooling issue that had caused grief for a number of Escape owners in the past couple of years is due to a faulty product supplied by Dometic, and has no relevance on the overall quality of the Escape build. Reace et al. at ETI have taken an active role in working to resolve the fridge issues, and many of those impacted by the faulty larger Dometic fridges did in fact have their fridges replaced through a deal struck between Reace and Dometic.
It is Reace's interest in making sure customers are happy with their trailers that is one of the greatest things about the overall Escape product.
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2013 19' \ 2013 15B, 2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD Offroad
"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." - 1907, Maurice Switzer
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03-14-2016, 11:03 AM
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#466
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Area 51, New Mexico
Trailer: pondering.....
Posts: 728
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jubal
"As a prospective buyer researching the solar option, just got through reading this whole thread. It was disheartening to read about the issues the owners of these trailer's who purchased the solar panels option have had. "
You should consider an Oliver Trailer. Following the "helpful suggestions" of several members "to sell our trailer and cut our losses if we are dissatisfied", we have been pursuing that path. We spent 2 weeks using my brothers Oliver Legacy EliteII travel trailer to gain some perspective. We also took a tour of the factory.
With the exception of the increased weight and cost, the Oliver was superior to the Escape 19 in every way ! Yes, the refer does work at temps above 85 degrees F. and would fit through the ETI trailer entrance door.
By supplying the parts to repair the solar panels mounting and the frame, ETI shifts the responsibility (culpability) to the owner. After the problems with the solar panels, frame, and wiring we are seeking a better way to spend our free time.
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While it could be construed as a "shift", I would also like to believe Escape was just trying to provide a fix as quickly as possible considering the product defect was maybe rolling around North America somewhere. I was just sharing my perspective as a prospective buyer which in hindsight may have been a mistake and sort of expected some of the responses.... just like kicking a fire ant bed or mentioning certain silicon vendors on engineering forums. Guessing you do not go to the Escape rallies based on the love the other Escapes heaped upon on you for your response in this thread. Visited another trailer mfg that was being considered and they even recommended the company you speak of for buyers that wish to delve into how a trailer is designed....just looking for something that is reasonably well built/designed and worth the expenditure in the price range one is willing to dump into a trailer...maybe now, maybe later...or maybe never.
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03-14-2016, 11:15 AM
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#467
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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I am a member of the Oliver Forum and have seen all their models over the past 5 years in Tennessee. They are heavy and expensive, at least $15k more than the Escape. That said they do have some nice features. I met Mr.Oliver and Robert Partee, the sales manager 3 years ago when they brought the Legacy II prototype to Townsend. It had storage drawers built into the aluminum frame, really nice. I suggested the vented heat to the bath room since my 19' Escape bath was not heated. They do build a nice product, but money and weight keeps me away.
On the forum they have issues with their windows leaking and electrical issues which are worked out since they are a growing company with growing pains.
PS,
The Oliver forum is no where as nice as this one nor are the members as friendly, very cold.
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Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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03-14-2016, 11:20 AM
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#468
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 5,207
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Is that "Ant Hill Country" Freespirit? Wow, you sure got some feisty responses here; not too surprising though
So here's an idea for the Rally, just remember who suggested it
I could see this actually being done and with the alcohol consumption professed by many there could even be a few attempted front flips (or faceplants)
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03-14-2016, 11:25 AM
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#469
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,023
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
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PS,
The Oliver forum is no where as nice as this one nor are the members as friendly, very cold.
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The Oliver Forum is owned by the manufacturer. Maybe that's the difference?
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Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
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03-14-2016, 11:37 AM
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#470
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,528
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa Dave
Nut don't roll too far from the tree they say.
Dave
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You saying your daughter is nuts too?
Sounds kinda like my own daughter and me!
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2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
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03-14-2016, 11:39 AM
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#471
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,528
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
PS,
The Oliver forum is no where as nice as this one nor are the members as friendly, very cold.
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That's because they don't have poutine.
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2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
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03-14-2016, 11:40 AM
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#472
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Area 51, New Mexico
Trailer: pondering.....
Posts: 728
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossue
Is that "Ant Hill Country" Freespirit? Wow, you sure got some feisty responses here; not too surprising though
So here's an idea for the Rally, just remember who suggested it
I could see this actually being done and with the alcohol consumption professed here there could even be a few attempted front flips (or faceplants)
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decided better to change location and I don't think Labrador has fire ants ....just wanted to be on the safe side...could hear some friendly Escapes on this thread fixin to lock and load while uttering "lets get that varmit"!
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03-14-2016, 11:44 AM
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#473
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,528
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I like the idea of cheerleader training. I needs to learn me some new moves.
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2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
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03-14-2016, 11:51 AM
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#474
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Southern Alberta, Alberta
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA
Posts: 1,734
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Our solar panel blew off!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
I like the idea of cheerleader training. I needs to learn me some new moves.
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Obviously we need an amateur night at the next rally, probably after going to the Sage pub would be appropriate. [emoji23]
Cheers
Doug
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Cheers
Doug
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03-14-2016, 11:53 AM
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#475
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
Trailer: 2013 Escape 21 Classic Number 6, pulled by 2018 Toyota Highlander
Posts: 8,217
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Daughters
What you mean "too" Tonto. I guess sons have an automatic percieved responsibility to somehow emulate their father's positive traits but when you get two tent camping, beer drinking, independent daughters who both married great guys, you feel like you hit the lottery every day. The real positive is that all my kids and their spouses can either show me how to run modern electronics or help me move heavy stuff around. Some both
Dave
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03-14-2016, 11:54 AM
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#476
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Ponoka, Alberta
Trailer: 2016 19 classic "outta sight", jeep rubicon unlimited
Posts: 1,645
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03-14-2016, 12:32 PM
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#477
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,203
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jubal
"As a prospective buyer researching the solar option, just got through reading this whole thread. It was disheartening to read about the issues the owners of these trailer's who purchased the solar panels option have had. "
You should consider an Oliver Trailer. Following the "helpful suggestions" of several members "to sell our trailer and cut our losses if we are dissatisfied", we have been pursuing that path. We spent 2 weeks using my brothers Oliver Legacy EliteII travel trailer to gain some perspective. We also took a tour of the factory.
With the exception of the increased weight and cost, the Oliver was superior to the Escape 19 in every way ! Yes, the refer does work at temps above 85 degrees F. and would fit through the ETI trailer entrance door.
By supplying the parts to repair the solar panels mounting and the frame, ETI shifts the responsibility (culpability) to the owner. After the problems with the solar panels, frame, and wiring we are seeking a better way to spend our free time.
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Jubal was wondering what you were up to. Really like the Oliver's myself . Wish I could afford their trailers . I actually like their interiors too. There is so many items I love on their trailers . To long of a list to go into . Glad you are finding a trailer you can be happier with . Good luck to you and take care . Pat
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03-14-2016, 01:15 PM
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#478
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2021 F150 Lariat 2.7L EB
Posts: 10,222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Glad you are finding a trailer you can be happier with . Good luck to you and take care . Pat
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Pat for President. Your attitude is admirable.
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03-14-2016, 01:18 PM
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#479
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,528
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PGDriver
Obviously we need an amateur night at the next rally, probably after going to the Sage pub would be appropriate. [emoji23]
Cheers
Doug
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I'm in!
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2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
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03-14-2016, 01:23 PM
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#480
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Midcoast, Maine
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 435
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I kinda steered an old boss into buying an Oliver in 2008, the year after we bought our Casita. They were immediately drawn to the fine features and the quality build. At the time, they paid double what we did for our Casita. Since they only live a quarter of a mile from us, I still see it every day on my way to work.
Over the years, they have taken it down to Oliver for various things, and each time they came back telling fantastic stories of exceptional customer service.
Oliver replaced their an axle for free because Oliver thought the axles they originally put on were too close to the max weight, and they also replaced defective stabilizing jacks with brand new ones. Free of charge. They also did some requested mods.
Still doesn't mean I like the Oliver any more than the Casita we owned or the Escape we are getting. But their customer service seems to right up there.
To me, that's the beauty of having Casita, Scamp and Escape out there. Allows people to find the perfect "Goldilocks" company...
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