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Old 05-09-2016, 11:43 AM   #31
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I get my propane at Husky/Mowhawk and they weigh the cylinder and charge me for what they put in it.
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Old 05-09-2016, 02:40 PM   #32
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I get my propane at Husky/Mowhawk and they weigh the cylinder and charge me for what they put in it.
I go to my local Husky as well. They also weigh the tank and charge me based on what they put in. They also check the tank expiry date before filling and have told me when it is about to expire.
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We always try to find a propane shop when we need a refill. Although they usually cater to larger customers, they are usually very helpful to the smaller ones. They're also usually less expensive than the chains which sell propane, and they sell it by weight in small increments, so you only pay for what you get. I also like the idea of supporting the local business instead of the national chain. At a propane shop in Idaho for example, we were able to get both tanks filled for less than $10. Not bad.
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I get my propane at Husky/Mowhawk and they weigh the cylinder and charge me for what they put in it.
Nice. This varies by location, with a tendency to follow local trends.

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I go to my local Husky as well. They also weigh the tank and charge me based on what they put in. They also check the tank expiry date before filling and have told me when it is about to expire.
Local can apparently be really local - Dave's location (Beaumont) has become essentially a suburb of Edmonton (as they have grown together), and yet I have not found a Husky anywhere where they either charge for actual quantity, or read any information on the tank.

I assume from the descriptions that they weigh the tank before filling, rather than just assuming that it is empty.
I wonder if staff at either of these Husky locations read the tare weight... or do they just assume a standard value? This determines whether it is filled to the correct level, and if they assume it is empty it also determines the amount they charge for.
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The UHaul I take mine to unfortunately assumes that the tanks are empty - which mine almost always are. They just fill by the gallon to slightly less than the capacity. Once I took in a not completely empty one and LP came out of the safety check valve before he reached the "normal" gallon fill. When I first started there, they did it by weight but some years back switched to gallons.
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The UHaul I take mine to unfortunately assumes that the tanks are empty - which mine almost always are. They just fill by the gallon to slightly less than the capacity. Once I took in a not completely empty one and LP came out of the safety check valve before he reached the "normal" gallon fill.
Just putting in a specific volume is not an acceptable way to fill a propane tank, even if it is empty. Filling until liquid spits out the 80% level bleed valve is a valid filling method, so as long as they always open that valve (and remember to close it when done ) and always stop if it spits, then they are properly ensuring a safe fill.

It sounds like this location is consistently underfilling tanks for their convenience, which is okay if the price is appropriate, and if you don't mind going out camping with a little less propane than your tanks' capacity.
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Old 05-09-2016, 04:23 PM   #37
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Can I guess that if they are placing the customers tank on a scale they are selling by weight, or it may mean they are filling by weight. My U haul has the scale but then a meter is turning as they fill. Now what numbers are they using to arrive at the bill. A bit tricky because I may bring four tanks to fill.

One nice service they have is a portable charge card reader. You pay right at the pump. The draw back is you do not get a receipt so I do not have a clue what I am paying for.

Who cares as long as the tanks are full. Here I believe the scale is somehow connected to the shut off and when a preset weight is reached the pump shuts off. I have never seen them shut it off, they are usually answering my inane questions or looking bored.

I think the meter must be cumulative, they do a reset before they start and then must plug the final gallons in before swiping my card.

Man that's some heavy thinking, I think I'll go out and sharpen my solar panel or perhaps pick the stones out of my tires.
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Just filled a tank this afternoon at a locally owned convenience store. They have a sign that makes a point of the exchange tanks being only three fourths of capacity. Here they weight the empty tank on a scale, 17.6 lbs, set the filled weight to 37.6 lbs and put the gas to it. When the scale balance lever indicates full they shut off the gas and check the filled tank weight for 37.6 lbs and charge you $17.11 U.S. And away you go. And the lady who fills the tank is very pleasant about it because she likes to get outside once in a while. Plus you can pick up a growler inside if you're parched. Works for me.
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Can I guess that if they are placing the customers tank on a scale they are selling by weight, or it may mean they are filling by weight. My U haul has the scale but then a meter is turning as they fill. Now what numbers are they using to arrive at the bill
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Here I believe the scale is somehow connected to the shut off and when a preset weight is reached the pump shuts off. I have never seen them shut it off, they are usually answering my inane questions or looking bored.
I agree that placing the cylinder on the scale indicates either pricing or filling by weight, but if they are metering the propane as well the scale would presumably be only for determining when to stop the fill.

Automatically shutting off the fill according to weight makes sense, but I would be very surprised if anyone does that. Propane filling equipment rarely includes an electrically-operated valve, so the weight-triggered cutoff would not be practical. More likely, they're manually turning it off either when the target weight is reached, or the Overfill Prevention Device (OPD) - which is supposed to be only a secondary safety backup - blocks flow.

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Here they weight the empty tank on a scale, 17.6 lbs, set the filled weight to 37.6 lbs and put the gas to it. When the scale balance lever indicates full they shut off the gas and check the filled tank weight for 37.6 lbs and charge you $17.11 U.S.
That's filling by weight, and charging a flat fee, both as is the most common practice here. They should read the tare weight from the tank, not just assume that every 20-pound-capacity propane cylinder ever made weighs the same 17.6 pounds (they certainly don't).

That flat fee (US$17.11 or about CA$22) seems wildly expensive to me for a non-exchange fill.
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I agree that they need to look at the tare weight instead of assuming which she did. The fill is 16.00, tax brought it to 17.11. The bulk suppliers are not much cheaper. I think they are run by the Cahoots brothers. If we could convert to methane, which doesn't smell so good when burned, the hog confinement operations in Iowa could supply all the campers in the world. Or so it seems on some of those warm summer evenings. I'm only in for a few tanks a year for camping, home bbq, campfire in a can and ice fishing so it's not to serious of an outlay for us.
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