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11-05-2016, 11:38 PM
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#21
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Westcliffe, Colorado
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A trip to Wal-Mart (automotive section, camper accessories) and $2.79 + tax worked for us.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Road-Powe...apter/16817349
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11-06-2016, 07:56 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Oswego, New York
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The problem with connecting a Honda generator to the trailer through the power cord when you have the Progressive EMS is the Honda generator does not tie the neutral to ground (bond). Since the EMS looks for that bond & assumes there is an open ground when it doesn't find it, it sends an error code & shuts down.
One solution is to use the bypass switch. If you want to keep all the functions of the EMS, you can wire a plug that ties the neutral to ground & plug it into the other side of the Honda's receptacle. This bonding is safe, if fact, required for some portable generator situations. Others include a switch that lets you bond or not. Because the Honda is 120V only, and under 5000 watts, bonding is not required by the NEC.
While I strongly suggest having this done by someone familiar with the polarity of a standard 120V plug, all you need to do is make a jumper between the ground (round pin) and neutral (wide blade), put the cover back on & plug it in.
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11-06-2016, 09:01 AM
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#23
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Marana, Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SFDavis50
Plug the trailer power cord into the generator. The trailer comes with an attached cord and you can get the removable power cord as an option. Also may need a pigtail to go from the 30 amp to the regular 3 prong outlet.
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Note that if your 2000i is the Companion model equipped with a 30v female, locking receptacle, you'll need an adapter to attach the trailer's male plug. Here's the one I purchased: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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11-06-2016, 10:50 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
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My WEN 2000 generator has a grounding terminal that is supposed to be hooked up prior to plugging in the trailer and/or running the generator. Haven't tried the generator on the Escape yet, but I'm assuming that if I run the ground connection it will resolve the EMS issue.
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11-06-2016, 10:56 AM
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#25
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Commercial Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
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I included the EMS to deal with uncertain power quality at campsites, so bypassing it to run my generator without bonding straps isn't an issue for me - haven't ever had a generator whack out on me....
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11-06-2016, 10:58 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg A
My WEN 2000 generator has a grounding terminal that is supposed to be hooked up prior to plugging in the trailer and/or running the generator. Haven't tried the generator on the Escape yet, but I'm assuming that if I run the ground connection it will resolve the EMS issue.
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Our older gen also has the grounding terminal . My brother said it would , but I never tried it . I just shut off the surge protector by the bypass switch . Pat
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11-06-2016, 08:42 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
Brian...thanks for all the info. My father is using the trailer as we speak on a steelhead fishing trip off Lake Erie. No solar (yet). He is running the Honda EU2000 about an hour and battery voltage goes from 12 to 12.5. Seems pretty reasonable for dual Interstate 6V's. Based on this timeframe the amperage must be pretty high as you have indicated.
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Correction. Running for an hour gets him to about 12.35V (~70%). Running for two hours gets him close to 12.5V (~90%).
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11-06-2016, 11:00 PM
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#28
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Zardoz
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it should be noted that the Honda EU2000 Companion model is meant to be used as the second in a pair of paralleled EU2000's. It can be used solo but it costs more and has no performance advantage over the regular model. The only difference is the 30A twist lock plug on the Companion replaces a regular receptacle. In both cases you need an adapter from the trailer cord to the gen...just different ones.
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11-07-2016, 12:17 AM
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#29
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
it should be noted that the Honda EU2000 Companion model is meant to be used as the second in a pair of paralleled EU2000's. It can be used solo but it costs more and has no performance advantage over the regular model. The only difference is the 30A twist lock plug on the Companion replaces a regular receptacle. In both cases you need an adapter from the trailer cord to the gen...just different ones.
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True, and for those reasons the Companion is usually chosen as the second EU2000i purchased, as a companion for the first one. On the other hand, the locking connector is nice, and if you occasionally camp with other people who have the regular model, having the Companion would be handy.
Another difference: according to the manuals I have for both versions of the EU2000i (which may not be current) - and their wiring manuals - the 12 V DC output feature is only included in the regular model. For an Escape owner, I don't see this as in issue.
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11-07-2016, 12:23 AM
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#30
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
Running for an hour gets him to about 12.35V (~70%).
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20% of the capacity of a 236 amp-hour battery in one hour would be 47 amps of effective charging. Even though the state-of-charge values are approximate, the charging rate looks pretty good.
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11-07-2016, 09:51 AM
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#31
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermilye
The problem with connecting a Honda generator to the trailer through the power cord when you have the Progressive EMS is the Honda generator does not tie the neutral to ground (bond). Since the EMS looks for that bond & assumes there is an open ground when it doesn't find it, it sends an error code & shuts down.
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FWIW Honda's "industrial" version of the EU2000i generator is the EB2000i which has the bonding. Someone who doesn't want to mess around with the EMS bypass or the rewiring of the plug may be interested in this as a solution.
Honda EB2000I Model Info| Portable Industrial 2000 Watt Generator | Honda Generators
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12-04-2019, 11:09 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: petaluma, California
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My Honda 2000 puts out 17.5 volts from the 12 dc charger outlet. I don't know the amperage, and have never used to charge a battery.
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12-04-2019, 01:02 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by craiginpetaluma
My Honda 2000 puts out 17.5 volts from the 12 dc charger outlet. I don't know the amperage, and have never used to charge a battery.
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According to Honda the output is 8A. Just be conscientious if you do charge a battery as it is an unregulated output. It seems to me that if you are running the generator anyway it would be easier to allow the onboard WFCO charger to charge the trailer battery or if one is talking about a battery not wired within the trailer (boat, etc.) plug in an independent 120V smart battery charger to do the job more effectively.
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