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Old 09-15-2015, 09:18 AM   #51
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So Escape won't put something on like this?

LED Porch Light - Diamond 52526 - Light Fixtures - Camping World

I was going to call/email to ask, as I have had to replace the junky exterior light on my Casita due to moisture and corrosion ruining the electrical stuff inside. I figured "surely, this would be just as easy for them?" Maybe not...
Perhaps they will, just like the hydralic table mounts. You'll certainly need to ask.

But at $50 each (and I have four), I'll keep the crappy lights and hope to only need to replace occassionally... like once every 3-5 years.
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Glad to see you got it all sorted out, Pat. A bit of a hassle, but with good results.

One of the biggest issues that any RV manufacturer faces, not only Escape, is to keep costs down. The one way to do that is to use the regular, run of the mill components found extensively in the industry. While those lights that Nathan linked to are great, if you use 4 of them you just added $160 to the build, and this is just one component of many that go into the build.

My thoughts are that the industry standard components lack quality largely due to the fact that they mostly see very little use. The vast majority of RV's out there spend almost their entire life in storage.

There are lots of standard items I would love to see upgraded, sinks, taps, stoves, interior panelling, toilets, fill and electrical hatches, drawer slides, and so one, but to address the potential concerns of all these features will push the price to a degree that will scare many people off. Just look at what happened to the Nest Caravan, an extremely well built unit using top quality components, but the final cost got pushed to where very few would be willing to pay the cost.

Just so long as the base elements of the trailer are sound, these individual items can be changed out at the owner's expense afterwards, if they so desire. Some things people want included, Escape will try to accommodate if reasonably possible. You have to remember that something like mounting the existing porch lights takes them less than a minute each, whereas using something supplied by the purchaser will mean they have to build a template to ensure the hole pattern works out, effectively multiplying the time taken by 3-10 times (just guessing here). Do this with a bunch of components on the build, and every other build, and it can drastically affect production time. This I know very well, doing custom building for people. Those production builders can knock off homes in no time, with their eyes closed, whereas every build we do is a prototype, requiring much more time to produce.

This is not to say that requesting higher level products is not a good thing, heck I do plan to do so with a few things myself, or if it is too much of a hassle for Escape, I will just install, or replace, them myself when needed.

Do remember, this post was written by a guy who loves to buy quality products in places where it matters to me. I do buy some cheaper items where longevity and usability are not key factors, but usually buy quality as I know most often there is value in doing so.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:34 AM   #53
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Well, and its just not about the lights failing...the white-ish plastic looks good for a while then slowly turns to that lovely mustard color. Yes, I know, spray paint. I prefer to have something that can be installed nice and stay nice. Plus, I saw the mangled back plate in the picture above and that sent chill waves down my non-practical spine.

In the same theme of discoloration, I asked Escape if they would be willing to install the vent cover that Casita started putting on it's trailers a few years back. Made from a different plastic that apparently does not discolor. They said "no".
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Getting all lathered up over the perceived poor quality of the exterior light fixtures is in my opinion, not worth the lather. Even though we only use them on rare occasions, my three exterior lights all work and have caused me no grief. Maybe at some point in the very distant future if the lights fail to function as designed, I may consider a higher quality replacement.
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Well, and its just not about the lights failing...the white-ish plastic looks good for a while then slowly turns to that lovely mustard color. Yes, I know, spray paint.
ETI installs black frame lights now
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Well, that makes things a whole lot more livable!!
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Donna,
Is that a standard install or do you have to request black?
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We had motion light fixtures installed and they work good.
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Glad to see you got it all sorted out, Pat. A bit of a hassle, but with good results.

One of the biggest issues that any RV manufacturer faces, not only Escape, is to keep costs down. The one way to do that is to use the regular, run of the mill components found extensively in the industry. While those lights that Nathan linked to are great, if you use 4 of them you just added $160 to the build, and this is just one component of many that go into the build.

My thoughts are that the industry standard components lack quality largely due to the fact that they mostly see very little use. The vast majority of RV's out there spend almost their entire life in storage.

There are lots of standard items I would love to see upgraded, sinks, taps, stoves, interior panelling, toilets, fill and electrical hatches, drawer slides, and so one, but to address the potential concerns of all these features will push the price to a degree that will scare many people off. Just look at what happened to the Nest Caravan, an extremely well built unit using top quality components, but the final cost got pushed to where very few would be willing to pay the cost.

Just so long as the base elements of the trailer are sound, these individual items can be changed out at the owner's expense afterwards, if they so desire. Some things people want included, Escape will try to accommodate if reasonably possible. You have to remember that something like mounting the existing porch lights takes them less than a minute each, whereas using something supplied by the purchaser will mean they have to build a template to ensure the hole pattern works out, effectively multiplying the time taken by 3-10 times (just guessing here). Do this with a bunch of components on the build, and every other build, and it can drastically affect production time. This I know very well, doing custom building for people. Those production builders can knock off homes in no time, with their eyes closed, whereas every build we do is a prototype, requiring much more time to produce.

This is not to say that requesting higher level products is not a good thing, heck I do plan to do so with a few things myself, or if it is too much of a hassle for Escape, I will just install, or replace, them myself when needed.

Do remember, this post was written by a guy who loves to buy quality products in places where it matters to me. I do buy some cheaper items where longevity and usability are not key factors, but usually buy quality as I know most often there is value in doing so.
Hi Jim I agree with just about everything you have mentioned here . I was a bit upset with the install of the fixture just a quick glue on . I used wide blue tape around and was very careful to not damage my trailer getting this fixture off . I didn't care about damaging the fixture I was removing . Also getting the sealant off was not fun either to prepare for new fixture . Since these lights will need to be replaced somewhere down the line , just using a waterproof seal in the grove at back and your 4 screws was all that was needed . These lights are not heavy . You and I know the proper way to get these fixtures off , there are a lot of folks who don't and it could cause a lot of damage to their trailer . Anyway light is fixed for now . I can rest up for the ortherside later . Congratulations on your new trailer and can't wait for your improvements down the line . Pat
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Well, and its just not about the lights failing...the white-ish plastic looks good for a while then slowly turns to that lovely mustard color. Yes, I know, spray paint. I prefer to have something that can be installed nice and stay nice. Plus, I saw the mangled back plate in the picture above and that sent chill waves down my non-practical spine.

In the same theme of discoloration, I asked Escape if they would be willing to install the vent cover that Casita started putting on it's trailers a few years back. Made from a different plastic that apparently does not discolor. They said "no".
Saw that vent and I wish I had it . I painted mine and now am happier . It started to yellow pretty fast . Pat
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