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Old 11-20-2014, 08:50 AM   #1
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Solar power in the wintertime

When I picked up my Escape 21 in April it was equipped with the 95W solar panel that Escape provided at the time, and the two 6V batteries. A few weeks afterward I had AM Solar in Springfield, Oregon add a second 100W panel and a Tri-Metric battery monitor. For the following 27 days straight in May I ran off the batteries and solar panels, with no electrical hookups. I had no problems charging the batteries to 100% every day, even when using a microwave via inverter on some days.

What a difference six months make. On a recent trip I boondocked over a weekend and noticed my batteries weren't charging fully. So when I returned home on Nov 13 I ran an experiment: I had the fridge set to 12V power while traveling as usual, so it had drawn the batteries down to below 80%. When I parked I switched the fridge back to propane and left the trailer powered up for several days, with the furnace on. The batteries never charged up over 75%, usually in the low 70s, and during this recent nationwide cold spell their charge dropped down below 60%.

Weather was very variable, with temperatures from 25 deg F to above 70F, with sunny days, overcast, and rain. My latitude is about 30.75 deg N. I think I'll stop my experiment today as I have the data I need and I don't know how the low charge will affect the batteries. And I'm burning propane for no good reason.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:57 AM   #2
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I've noticed a huge difference between the charging capabilities of my 95 watt panel with the low angle sun during winter, particularly on cloudy days. I was in the Imperial Dam BLM long term camping area during February. No shade and daytime temperatures un the 70's or better & if I used my inverter to make a pot of coffee I often didn't get back to full batteries by the end of the day. Typical use was 25 - 30 amp hours per day, for which I have no problem making up during the summer.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:26 AM   #3
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It should depend on the angle between the sun and the angle of the panel. Quite a difference if the panel isn't angled to the south. Here, in southern Oregon at latitude 42 deg N, the angle to tilt a panel from vertical is 72 deg in June and 24 deg in December. The energy the panel sees should depend on the sine of this angle. Thus in June it sees 95% of the radiation while only 41% in December, compared to a optimally tilted panel.

Then the panel may not be as efficient at an angle, and December is likely to have more clouds. Wow, why on earth did I get one of those panels?
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These three posts seem to support the idea that a portable solar panel, one that can be angled and/or rotated, is the way to go.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:42 AM   #5
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Mike, sun angle will surely affect the output of your panels but shadowing will have a huge impact. Look to be sure you are not casting shadows from the Maxifan, AC or TV antenna on your panels. Even small shadows have a big impact. I raised my panels 3 inches for this reason and I live in southern CA.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:44 AM   #6
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I would think that winter poses at least 2 major problems for RV solar with panels mounted flat on the roof - the angle of the panel to the sun low on the horizon and the cold's effect on batteries.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:23 AM   #7
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Check this out.

http://greenerenergy.ca/PDFs/Tilt%20...r%20Panels.pdf

I designed/maintained telecomm sites in 5 NW states. In the beginning I tested each site for a year as some high sites create their own weather patterns. Then panel prices came down and I just oversized everything, but that would result in too much weight for you.

You have an interesting challenge ... moving panels .... moving sun ...

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Anybody know where a tilting, lazy susan type solar panel bracket that roof mounts, can be purchased? That would seem to be the ticket.
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As I was looking at solar panels this morning, this pdf http://www.solar-electric.com/lib/wi...lack-specs.pdf


Hit me. I had not noticed other panel spec sheets noting reduced effecient testing before.
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These three posts seem to support the idea that a portable solar panel, one that can be angled and/or rotated, is the way to go.
That's why I went that route, but we are pretty small consumers of electricity when camping usually. Maybe for folks who camp a lot in the winter and need quite a bit of solar, a good method might be the top mounted panel, sized to supply enough power for summer, combined with a portable unit to take along in the winter months to compensate for low sun angle and cold temperatures.
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Anybody know where a tilting, lazy susan type solar panel bracket that roof mounts, can be purchased? That would seem to be the ticket.
Exactly what I'm looking for, hope we find it. I've seen large ones built by metal fabricators but we need something light, designed for RVs.

Maybe Australia? Ebay?

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When power is scarce a lot changes. Summer, no big deal but charging and conserving takes over the rest of the year. I'm new to all this but have used a 50w panel for years to recharge. I upgraded to a Solarland 90w folding rig with a 40' cable to speed up the recharging process. So far so good. Might add a second one for 180w. I totally agree that a portable panel system beats a fixed one. Shaded campsites are a good thing in our household!

On the conserving side, we're all led and batteries stay up all day. My el-cheapo inverter recharges phones and the laptop. Can somebody tell me the difference though between a 200w $100 inverter and a 200w $2000 inverter? Pure sine What's that? Are all amps not created equal or what?

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Exactly what I'm looking for, hope we find it. I've seen large ones built by metal fabricators but we need something light, designed for RVs.

Maybe Australia? Ebay?

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You don't need a rotating mount to be able to angle a panel up up in any direction. I'm going to modify one of my mounts to accomplish this with just two horizontal, adjustable brackets. I'll show pics when completed...one project at a time..
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You don't need a rotating mount to be able to angle a panel up up in any direction. I'm going to modify one of my mounts to accomplish this with just two horizontal, adjustable brackets. I'll show pics when completed...one project at a time..
I'm looking foreword to seeing/hearing the results. I've scoured googled many times (with no luck) looking to find a tilting, rotating, mount that could be retro-fitted to the ETI installed solar panel roof mount.
Maybe one of the forum members has a good idea. So far I've balanced my portable panel on a 'lazy susan' with good results but I'd like to complement my portable system with my roof top system.
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You don't need a rotating mount to be able to angle a panel up up in any direction. I'm going to modify one of my mounts to accomplish this with just two horizontal, adjustable brackets. I'll show pics when completed...one project at a time..
How about pressing a button on the remote and it rises up to the correct angle and follows the sun? Yea! Too windy? it knows to go back down ...

Looking forward to seeing your work Will you 'Peter Pan' up there or need a ladder?
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How about pressing a button on the remote and it rises up to the correct angle and follows the sun? Yea! Too windy? it knows to go back down ...
Wouldn't a nice little motorized, microchip controlled device to tracked the sun like that be sweet? Any computer engineers on the forum to design that for you?
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Anybody know where a tilting, lazy susan type solar panel bracket that roof mounts, can be purchased? That would seem to be the ticket.
I asked this in the following thread, post #21. Don't know of any that are out there.

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Imaging stacking two of these (minus the panel) on top of each other in X and Y configuration then installing the panel on top. Then make a few pre-cut extension pieces to tilt the panels up on both axis. You can tilt the panel up in any direction to any reasonable angle...be Peter Pan to get there!

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Imaging stacking two of these (minus the panel) on top of each other in X and Y configuration then installing the panel on top. Then make a few pre-cut extension pieces to tilt the panels up on both axis. You can tilt the panel up in any direction to any reasonable angle...be Peter Pan to get there!

You make, I'll buy it Steve...but it needs a swivel and locking mechanism....lol
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You make, I'll buy it Steve...but it needs a swivel and locking mechanism....lol
Don't laugh! I used to have a really big automated telescope that would track to any item in the sky by voice command...now where is that software??...hmmm
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