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03-26-2016, 09:53 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: San Luis Obispo, California
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 27
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Water tank overflow
Has happened twice.
Started out with tank about 1/2 full. Hooked up hose to use campground water. After several days noticed water spilling out of the overflow valve near hose bibb. Looked and found tank was completely full.
Called Escape first time. They said: use water in the tank and pump for a while. It will drain tank a bit so it doesn't over flow and all will be well. They said: it happends. Some anomalie (weird thing) about the system. In effect, live with it.
We did.
Happened again this Spring.
What's going on here? Sounds like the fresh water system is filling the tank slowly but surely.
I can live with it, but it's annoying.
Anyone else have this problem? Find a solution?
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03-27-2016, 05:37 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Prescott Valley, Arizona
Trailer: Escape #2 - 2017 ‘21; 2018 Silverado 2500 (diesel, crew cab, long box, 4X4, SnugTop, air bags)
Posts: 135
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I just spoke with the owner of a 19 who described the same issue. He said it was caused by a faulty water pump and that Escape was aware of the problem. He replaced the pump and the problem was solved.
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03-27-2016, 09:40 AM
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Commercial Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 - "Felicity"
Posts: 2,945
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So, isn't there a check valve between the fresh water tank and pump?
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03-27-2016, 09:48 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
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The only check valve I know of is the one in the one that's built into the city water inlet. Makes sense though that there should be one on the output of the pump.
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03-27-2016, 10:45 AM
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Commercial Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 - "Felicity"
Posts: 2,945
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03-27-2016, 12:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Whether it is a separate check valve or not, the water pump must block reverse flow to work. If it leaks back slightly, the effect will be slow filling of the tank.
These water pumps are multi-chamber diaphragm pumps driven by a cam on a shaft from the motor. I suppose it is possible that if the shaft stops at just the wrong point they may be more prone to allow backflow (thus it could be a sporadic anomaly), but since nearly every RV is plumbed the same as an Escape, all RV pumps should reliably block flow back to the tank.
Possible fixes are - repair or replace the pump
- add a check valve between the pump and where it joins the line from the city water inlet
A check valve could be a quick fix if a replacement pump is not available, and can be included as a backup or complement to the pump, but I think that the proper solution is to make the pump work correctly.
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03-27-2016, 12:32 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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This may not be the right model, but a diagram and description of Repair Parts For Shurflo 2088 Series Water Pumps shows a typical design; backflow should be stopped by the valve on each of three diaphragm sections, but it also has a separate check valve (item 2 in the diagram), probably to protect the rest of the pump from excessive city water pressure (suggesting that the pump manufacturer does not expect an external check valve to be installed). Again this might not be the right model, but I note that a repair kit for the check valve is available.
(This is not an authoritative information source or preferred supplier, just the first good diagram I found in a web search)
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03-27-2016, 02:57 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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Never had this problem in any trailer and haven't seen it happen on the 19 as of yet. As Brian says above, the back flow is supposed to be prevented by the pump and if the tank is filling then the pump is defective. Warranty replacement or if out of warranty a new pump is in order. I wouldn't want to add a check valve as to me that would be band aid on a piece of equip that isn't functioning correctly.
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03-27-2016, 02:59 PM
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#9
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: San Luis Obispo, California
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 27
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Brian,
It sounds to me like you know what you're talking about. And I thank you for taking the time to craft such a complete response..
Now, what to do? I'm disappointed that when I called Escape with what then was a six month old trailer that they didn't offer more specific advice, and frankly, offer to at least help fully diagnose and fix the problem.
Meanwhile I am not that good a mechanic to feel comfortable replacing a water pump or install/repair a check valve, and not confident in the few RV repair places around here. Probably will just live with the problem. (Sigh)
Thanks again
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03-27-2016, 03:06 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutterslo
Meanwhile I am not that good a mechanic to feel comfortable replacing a water pump or install/repair a check valve, and not confident in the few RV repair places around here.
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Although these pumps are only used in RVs, the plumbing isn't really special and any plumber - or any handy person who has done a bit of plumbing - shouldn't have trouble with it. If you're not comfortable with doing your own fix that's understandable, but it shouldn't be too tough to find someone suitable. Do you know any RV owners in your area who are handy with tools?
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03-27-2016, 03:09 PM
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#11
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutterslo
Now, what to do? I'm disappointed that when I called Escape with what then was a six month old trailer that they didn't offer more specific advice, and frankly, offer to at least help fully diagnose and fix the problem.
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With any company it's often a matter of catching the right person.
In this case the trailer still isn't very old, and there is an established history with Escape: if it were me I would just call back, explain that I now understand the problem better, and ask for assistance with a solution.
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03-27-2016, 03:12 PM
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#12
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,204
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutterslo
Brian,
It sounds to me like you know what you're talking about. And I thank you for taking the time to craft such a complete response..
Now, what to do? I'm disappointed that when I called Escape with what then was a six month old trailer that they didn't offer more specific advice, and frankly, offer to at least help fully diagnose and fix the problem.
Meanwhile I am not that good a mechanic to feel comfortable replacing a water pump or install/repair a check valve, and not confident in the few RV repair places around here. Probably will just live with the problem. (Sigh)
Thanks again
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Rutterslo , sorry you are having problems . Escape should be taking care of this , they did replace my 2 mo old pump . I had to change it out though . It is pretty easy just changing the wires that and unscrewing the inlet and outlet and putting it back . There are 4 square drive screws holding your pump under bed , you undo and then put back . The hardest part is laying on your side and working there . I have a 19 too and my pump was under bed on frig side at front . Rags to capture a little water that comes out when you unscrew hoses . That's it . I am not good with electrical but if I remove items just reverse and put it back . Pat
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03-27-2016, 03:17 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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Take pictures as you go, each step of the way.
That will help you put things back in the right place.
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03-27-2016, 04:00 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,204
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
Take pictures as you go, each step of the way.
That will help you put things back in the right place.
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Thanks Glenn I forget about pictures too . Pat
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03-27-2016, 04:29 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
With any company it's often a matter of catching the right person.
In this case the trailer still isn't very old, and there is an established history with Escape: if it were me I would just call back, explain that I now understand the problem better, and ask for assistance with a solution.
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I'd be very surprised if Reace does not offer to replace the pump on this new of an Escape now that you have diagnosed the problem
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03-27-2016, 05:14 PM
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#16
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5TA
Posts: 405
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Mine did that once...
I turned off the city water and turned on the faucets to let out pressure. Then I turned on the water pump and let the water run for a couple of minutes. Never had it happen again. But whenever I'm "hooked up", I do check the tank level periodically.
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03-27-2016, 10:04 PM
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#17
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Seattle, Washington
Trailer: 2015 17B Sold 5/2016
Posts: 343
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutterslo
Has happened twice.
Started out with tank about 1/2 full. Hooked up hose to use campground water. After several days noticed water spilling out of the overflow valve near hose bibb. Looked and found tank was completely full.
Called Escape first time. They said: use water in the tank and pump for a while. It will drain tank a bit so it doesn't over flow and all will be well. They said: it happends. Some anomalie (weird thing) about the system. In effect, live with it.
We did.
Happened again this Spring.
What's going on here? Sounds like the fresh water system is filling the tank slowly but surely.
I can live with it, but it's annoying.
Anyone else have this problem? Find a solution?
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Mine did the same last summer when I hooked up to "city" water for the first time. I emailed ETI and they gave me the choice of doing the replacement myself of having an RV dealer do it. All they asked of me was to send then the serial number of the defective pump.
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Life is Good
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2012 4Runner
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03-27-2016, 10:57 PM
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#18
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Chase, Canada, British Columbia
Trailer: 2012 Escape 19
Posts: 235
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Our 19 has developed this issue as well. Although I am not particularly mechanic minded, I think it would be very easy to install a replacement pump, providing that the replacement is the same make and model of the faulty one. (Now to figure out the make and model!)
Quick follow-up,
I just went through the paperwork provided when we purchased the trailer and found the make and model #. It is an Artis pump, Model PDS1RV2.5
So, I'll give ETI a call just to confirm this, then find a nearby source for a new pump.
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Pleasure Way Excel TS Limited Edition
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03-28-2016, 12:15 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,204
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Seems like they are making a lot of junky pumps now . In 30 + years only changed first 2 RV's , one each in 12 years each . Escape trailer changed pump 2. Times already . Better carry a spare looks like a trend . Pat
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03-31-2016, 07:08 PM
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#20
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: San Luis Obispo, California
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 27
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Just to let you all know that following what I thought was the gist of your advice, I called Escape. We determined that my pump was in fact one with which they had a problem, and will be sending me a new pump and helping with the cost of having someone more skilled and knowledgeable than I am install it. Thanks for all the great advice!
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