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Old 08-14-2014, 05:41 PM   #121
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I'm not sure which is worse. The noise of the generator ( and I have a quiet Honda 1,000 ) or the noise generated when my wife complains that I am running the generator.
Now that's funny! I don't care who you are.

So, even a very quiet Honda generator can be a noise issue and may not be allowable in some campgrounds. I never thought about that. I can certainly understand why those regulations should be in place. Certainly, something to consider.

So, the pendulum swings back towards the solar/inverter option. Hmmm. Good thing I don't have to decide for another 6 months or so. I'm scheduled for a May delivery.

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Old 08-14-2014, 06:00 PM   #122
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So, let me get this straight.

With the twin 6V batteries, ETI's 160w solar setup and a 1500w inverter, I can run a TV/receiver/DVR, coffee grinder, coffee maker, electric shaver, and charge phones, computers, etc. I may even be able to run a microwave oven, but maybe not for very long (say no longer than 15 minutes?).These can't all be run at the same time. But, by monitoring my usage, I still should have no problem staying off the grid for extended periods of time. Does this sound about right?

Oh yeah, I can't run an A/C unit.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:09 PM   #123
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You can replace the coffee maker ( which draws a lot of power ) with a simple cone filter and thermos. Heat the water in a kettle on the propane stove and pour it through the grounds. You have the time. You are camping. This will also open up a lot of counter space that would be occupied by a coffee maker.

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Old 08-14-2014, 06:13 PM   #124
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Yup. That's the way I make my coffee when I tent camp, like I now do. No reason to change the routine. I'm just trying to understand the limitations of the different systems.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:23 PM   #125
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You can replace the coffee maker ( which draws a lot of power ) with a simple cone filter and thermos. Heat the water in a kettle on the propane stove and pour it through the grounds. You have the time. You are camping. This will also open up a lot of counter space that would be occupied by a coffee maker.

http://www.amazon.com/RSVP-Manual-Co.../dp/B000BUDDTY

The Coffee must be ready when I wake up it is far safer for everyone around me. Lol "Put The Coffee And Chocolate Down And Back Away Slowly And No One Gets Hurt" !! Lol

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Old 08-14-2014, 06:36 PM   #126
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The dual 6V are 232 Ahrs, you one 15 min microwave run at 130a used 32.5 Ahrs. That is fourteen percent of you capacity. A rule of thumb for batteries is only remove 50% of capacity to get the most live out of them. When operating within this rule you will have used 28% of your battery. That could be more than you can replace in a day.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:41 PM   #127
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If you are only using 12v appliances the new ETI 160 watt solar package with a single group 29 battery should get you thru the night and the next day you will be recharged before breakfast.
Not to be too picky, but If you get a real battery monitor such as a Bogart Engineering's Trimetric TM2030 that measures actual amp hours out & in, I think you will discover that after a typical night of reading a bit (even with LED lighting), recharging a laptop & phone, and running the furnace a couple of cycles, in short, doing the normal things we do after dark, that it will take longer than even a late brunch before the solar panel brings the batteries back to full.

At best, under ideal conditions, you can expect no more than 30 amp hours per day per 100 watts, and that is with the panel(s) perpendicular to the sun. A typical roof top panel rarely produces anywhere near its rated output. The problem is the monitor in the GoPower controller does not measure amp hours, it measures voltage. It (and the LED strip built into the trailer's monitor panel) will give a false reading of the state of charge of your batteries. As I've mentioned in other posts, I often see a reading of 100% on the monitors while I still have a deficit of 30 or more amp hours. As long as you do additional recharging by driving to the next campsite or stop for an overnight at a location with a power pedestal, you will probably never notice the deficit, however stay in one place without hookups for long enough & it adds up.

Obviously, how long it takes to fully recharge your batteries depends on how far you depleted them, but don't believe the GoPower percent reading!

One more point - if you are not following it, check out the "Is Your Battery Really Charged" thread for more info.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:51 PM   #128
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Jon - I hear what you and others are saying. Slowly, but surely, it is starting to make some sense to me. Thank you!!!!!

TM/SC - 2030 is another $300. Man, it just keeps adding up. I don't suppose ETI offers such an upgrade, so it would be something to do down the road. I ride dirt bikes and they are money pits. I never expected getting a camping trailer would be yet another one, but it's sure starting to look that way. Thank goodness I don't have a boat.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:14 PM   #129
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We're just finalizing our build sheet for a new Escape 15b and trying to decide on the Inverter installation. We plan to dry camp almost exclusively but since we both take lots of pictures and we both use GPS'es for hiking and caching we tend to be re-charging batteries a lot. We also plan to do a long trip across Canada when we retire so will be living in the Escape for an extended period of time; we both have laptops and iPhones that will also need charging along the way. We're thinking we'll need the inverter for that reason but we don't completely understand the consequences of wiring all four 120V receptacles in the trailer to the inverter.
Would that mean those receptacles must always receive power via the inverter from the battery or would those receptacles still receive power from an external source if we did stopped at a powered campsite and plugged in? Basically, the question is, can they work either way once they've been wired to the inverter?
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One more point - if you are not following it, check out the "Is Your Battery Really Charged" thread for more info.
I read all the posts on the battery charging link, including Handy Bob's Blog. Whew! I need a rest. It definitely sounds like there are better options out there for charging and monitoring the batteries than those included with the Escape. It would be nice if ETI would substitute the Morningstar products when building my Escape. I imagine that is not going to happen.
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