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Old 06-26-2014, 12:45 AM   #1
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Made me and the boys sit on a bench while they went through my truck, trailer and iPhone, ipad and laptop. Even wanted my passwords for them.
It sounds like both the supreme courts of Canada and the USA have ruled that search warrants are required for computer and phone searches. Do we wave our rights to unreasonable searches at border crossings?

http://bccla.org/news/2013/11/supreme-court-of-canada-rules-warrant-required-for-computer-and-cell-phone-searches/

http://www.policeone.com/arrests/articles/7322513-Supreme-Court-rules-warrant-required-to-search-cell-phones/
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:13 AM   #2
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Depends how long you want to sit there.
They'll ask if they can search. If you say no, then you'll have to wait while they obtain a search warrant and you've created a reasonable suspicion.
Your choice. Good luck.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:24 AM   #3
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I got stopped in a drinking/driving roadblock one night on my way home from work.
The officer was enjoying a prolonged conversation with the woman in the car ahead of me, laughing and chatting.
When she finally took off, he got to me.
I opened the conversation with, "Well, did you have a pleasant conversation"?
He said, "Pull over".
He took my license and registration and went back to his car, for 20 minutes.
As he arrived at my driver door, I said, "nothing, eh"?
To which, he said, "your license plate light is out".
And, I said, "So, give me a ticket".
And he said, "I wouldn't give you the pleasure".

Reminded me of two kids in a playground.

Took me an extra half hour to get home to the nice cold beer that was waiting for me.

And, I'm not making accusations, but all it took to fix the license plate light was to plug the wire back in.
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:15 AM   #4
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Depends how long you want to sit there.
They'll ask if they can search. If you say no, then you'll have to wait while they obtain a search warrant and you've created a reasonable suspicion.
Your choice. Good luck.
Not exactly how it works in the US Gbaglo, yes they might delay you to annoy you, but delaying you to get a search warrant not likely. Refusal of a search and asserting your rights does not generate probable cause and or enough cause to gain a search warrant. They are getting much tougher to get unlike what they show on TV.

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Well, you know what you're talking about.
I just know from experience that it doesn't pay to be a jerk when dealing with officials. Yes sir, and no sir works a lot better.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:23 PM   #6
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request for passwords

I muddled my real concern by asking about searches. I have had to turn on and log into my computer for airport security, and that is fine (although necessary or legal, I don't know).

The request for passwords is what really caught my attention in MarksAlot experience. I'm not sure how I would react to such a request.
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Old 06-26-2014, 01:54 PM   #7
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Yes Gbaglo, you are correct it does not really pay to be a jerk , I do not mind complying for small things but if asked to give them my password to my computer / tablet etc the answer will be no. I have to prove it works that is all. Now referring back your right it really doesn't pay however, in the case of passwords if you give them the password and they poke around and find say an image file nothing wrong right? It is after all only a picture of one of your grandkids ( if you have them) in a tub playing with bubbles ... Want to roll the dice on what happens then ? It is all up to interpretation of the person searching. The mess the wrong interpretation will cause you is beyond description. So yeah you want to search my vehicle sure, camper go for it my computer , tablet, phone no sorry more then happy to if you have a warrant.

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http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2010/11/naked-baby-photos-lead-to-parents-arrest.html

http://www.securitymanagement.com/news/us-supreme-court-shields-cell-phones-warrantless-searches-0013530
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:54 PM   #8
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Moral of the story: discharge batteries from all devices before you get to the border crossing.
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:49 PM   #9
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Moral of the story: discharge batteries from all devices before you get to the border crossing.
They may not let you take the item unless you can at least prove it boots up and operates. I have had to put even my spare laptop battery in to prove what that was but that was long ago I do not fly anywhere if I can avoid it these days.

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They may not let you take the item unless you can at least prove it boots up and operates. I have had to put even my spare laptop battery in to prove what that was but that was long ago I do not fly anywhere if I can avoid it these days.

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Sounds a bit paranoid to me. I've never had a problem, nor been asked to boot up anything, even at a US airport, and I travel internationally several times a year.
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