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Old 03-03-2016, 03:40 PM   #31
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If I were buying a Toyota, I would make free map updates a condition of the sale ( or at least try to ).
Why would a dealer commit to an unending series of updates, for which they would have to pay? Nice if you can get it, but I doubt this is a something the dealer can effectively use in negotiation... unlike items which only cost them their own labour, or at least have a high markup and only a single occurrence.

I know this is a long-standing complaint about Toyota's navigation systems, but are the other brands any different?
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Old 03-03-2016, 03:45 PM   #32
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I don't know for sure, if you need cell, it worked the whole way up n back and we were on 93 in Eastern NV for quite a bit which doesn't get much Boonier den dat. Maybe someone has a more definitive answer, but I would think it runs off of embedded gps and satellite like any of the devices.
I did find this fairly recent article on maps that is interesting:
How Well Do Google Maps Work Offline? Absolutely Flawlessly. | Outside Online
Any decent location system uses the device's built-in GPS receiver (which runs on signals from satellites) to determine your position; the issue is that the data for the map must be carried on the device or downloaded from an internet source (by the mobile network or a WiFi connection).

The article is interesting, if a little marginal technically. Thanks for the link
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But the GPS won't work without cell service right? A lot of the places that we travel you can not get a signal.
GPS does not depend on a cell signal; most navigation devices using GPS don't have any kind of network (mobile/cell or WiFi) connection at all. Traditionally, phones have been designed to make a server do some of the GPS calculation work, so they are dependent on mobile network data - this was done to increase expensive mobile data traffic to make money for the network operator, and was called "Assisted GPS". I don't know what the current practice is.

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... a GPS on a smart phone does not rely on data to work. Of course you won't get traffic updates (as there is no data coming in) but it will work.
The much bigger problem than actual Global Positioning System operation is that to be useful as a navigation system, you want the position shown on a map... that's where a data connection comes in, even if your phone has a fully functional GPS receiver. If the phone has stored the map, you're fine, but if not you are looking at a dot on a blank map.
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Old 03-03-2016, 04:13 PM   #34
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All of our smartphones have been passed down by the kid, who has to have the latest ( and her husband is in IT ).
Both wife and I now have iPhone 5s that cost nothing.

Just have kids.
Yeah, and which is cheaper? The phones or the raising of the kids?

But what about your monthly coverage fees?

We have thought about looking into a smartphone with a pay-per-minute like we get on our dumb phones. forget what they call it.

And yeah, I realize there are times it could be helpful to have one. However, I also have an ipad with cell coverage that I got so I could run credit cards through at shows without wifi coverage (or really slow connections as all of the other vendors are using it). So, that is a backup option for us.
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Old 03-03-2016, 04:26 PM   #35
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I have a plan - cheap $50 a month for voice and data. More than I ever use.
Wife has "Pay and Talk" plan. Cost $100 and is good for a year. She never phones anybody with the cell phone. Might take a call from me asking what yogurt she wants. Uses it for texting and most of the time it logs in via some free WiFi ( which is almost everywhere these days). If not, she is charged pennies for it.

You can send text messages by WiFi using the free application WhatsApp.
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GPS does not depend on a cell signal; most navigation devices using GPS don't have any kind of network (mobile/cell or WiFi) connection at all. Traditionally, phones have been designed to make a server do some of the GPS calculation work, so they are dependent on mobile network data - this was done to increase expensive mobile data traffic to make money for the network operator, and was called "Assisted GPS". I don't know what the current practice is.


The much bigger problem than actual Global Positioning System operation is that to be useful as a navigation system, you want the position shown on a map... that's where a data connection comes in, even if your phone has a fully functional GPS receiver. If the phone has stored the map, you're fine, but if not you are looking at a dot on a blank map.
Yes, this is what I was alluding to. I have to admit that last time I tried this was with a old Iphone 5 but in Northern BC where we did not have a signal the maps would not load. So in remote areas a Garmin is still your best bet, where a cell signal is not available. Right?, or am I missing something? Scott

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Old 03-03-2016, 04:59 PM   #37
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When travelling last year ,we had no phone service in parts of Georgia ,Alabama , Mississippi, Louisiana ,Texas ,New Mexico, North Dakota , Montana , Wisconsin ,Minnesota ,Washington ,Oregon ,Nevada , Colorado , Utah , Nebraska ,Iowa , Michigan and Idaho. NO phone NO Mapping . I plan on staying with my Garmin GPS with lifetime updates . The GPS worked everywhere !!
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That "Inroute" app looks promising, particularly using the weather overlap, anyone else use this?
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Now days, if you get lost near a store selling appliances, you can connect to/via a refrigerator on the showroom floor, like my wife did yesterday. (We were right out front in the car, so she saved cell-minutes by using the frig.)
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Well, I would! I'd have to purchase a smartphone and pay the monthly bills! Which we're not in any great rush to do. I hardly ever use my cell phone. Heck, half the time it's run out of battery power after sitting in my purse unused for days on end. We still have clamshell, flip phones and pay $100 a year for a 1000 minutes, which hardly ever get used up.

Yeah, we're part of the one third or less of phone owners that don't have a smartphone.
Guess we are in that 1/3 then because we both have flip phones and really don't want a smart phone and the charges . Both phones one att the other Verizon cost about 840 a year. Remember when 20-30 min was enough time a month . Now 200 , free mobile to mobile , 500 nights and weekends. May look into something else that is cheaper because we never come close to using all this up a month . Pat
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