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04-14-2016, 07:32 AM
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Southwest Tour Planning
I know much has been posted on this topic, which will require a bit of study. My wife and I are planning a trip to the southwest this fall with the intention of hitting Death Valley in the last half of October before we scoot back to Ohio ahead of the wintery stuff. Our jumping-off point will be Fort Collins CO after visiting my son. We're basically planning two full days (arrival date, two days to explore, then depart the next day) at each of the following locations before moving on:
Arches Devils Garden
Back to Moab for a night
Canyonlands Eye in the Sky
Back to Moab for a night
Canyonlands Needles
Moab again?
Capital Reef National Park
Grand Staircase / Escalante National Monument
Bryce Canyon
Zion
Maybe Las Vegas are for a night or two
Death Valley
Head home through Santa Fe area
A couple of comments: we've been to the Grand Canyon so we're willing to pass on that one. All the Moab nights are to replenish our supplies, take showers, etc. It seems that a lot of the places in that area have limited water and dump facilities.
There are obviously many more places and much to do at each of the ones listed. Overall, are we missing any "must-see" areas, especially for photography? Short hikes are good, but we're not up to all-day events. Anything that you would drop from the list in favor of another spot?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions!
Parker
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04-14-2016, 08:04 AM
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Parker, it looks like a fun list. Be aware that October has become a really popular month for all those National Parks and the campgrounds tend to fill up. We are shocked at the crowds at Bryce and especially at Zion. At Bryce, several times there were 3 tour bus loads of French, Japanese and Chinese tourists packed into the viewpoints. The Zion campground is pretty packed in and the big rigs around us seemed to be running their generators constantly. Capital Reef was much less crowed and offers a lot of really nice hikes short or long hikes. But even there we scored the last campsite when we rolled in at about 2PM. At Arches we camped outside the park, so I don't know about its campground, but it is a really fun place to hike in and the views change all during the day as the sun angle changes.
Almost everywhere we talked with Rangers who were great and helpful about how to find quieter trails and areas. One was especially helpful at Zion as he told us to take an unmarked river trail and also sent us to the Lava Point that has a quiet primitive campground and trails that look down into the canyon. We didn't camp there, but wish we had.
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04-14-2016, 08:34 AM
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In the Canyonlands area, (Islands in the Sky) at least a visit (you can also camp there) to Dead Horse Point State Park is well worth it. Another state park I enjoy visiting (and camping at) is Kodachrome Basin near Bryce. I have some photos of the areas at my State & National Parks pages.
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04-14-2016, 09:30 AM
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Hard to beat any of these suggestions. Out there, it's a really-really big country. What the water did to the rocks over the centuries here it did differently there. It boils down to how much time you got, are willing to spend driving. And, we got our Escape so when there's no room at the rv-spot (or the motel), we still got a roof for the night. Gotta love it.
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04-14-2016, 03:16 PM
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We stayed at the first 6 on your list last fall, had no problems getting water either at the campground (for Bryce we stayed in Kodachrome) or the visitor centers. Just have to have a way of hauling it, we used a 6 gallon jug, and a way to get it into the tank. Most of the national park campgrounds were full early in the day.
Being fairly careful with water usage we used between 6 and 7 gallons when we used the Escapes shower, about 3 if we didn't.
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04-14-2016, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by padlin
We stayed at the first 6 on your list last fall, had no problems getting water either at the campground (for Bryce we stayed in Kodachrome) or the visitor centers. Just have to have a way of hauling it, we used a 6 gallon jug, and a way to get it into the tank. Most of the national park campgrounds were full early in the day.
Being fairly careful with water usage we used between 6 and 7 gallons when we used the Escapes shower, about 3 if we didn't.
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If you camp at Dead Horse Point State Park, you will need to bring your own water. No source to fill a trailer - they do have a fountain to fill jugs but all their water is trucked in from Moab so they ask you to bring your own. Their sites have electricity.
Kodachrome Basin has some full hookup sites.
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04-14-2016, 04:48 PM
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Wow, this is great feedback. I'm just now checking back in here, as I've been de-winterizing the Escape and doing a bunch of landscape work prior to us hopefully heading off for a few days at Cades Cove in the Smokies. So we've picked up some must-see spots and campground recommendations. Perfect. Thanks.
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04-14-2016, 04:53 PM
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Oh, and Jon, we'll certainly visit your site. Carol, as you may remember from the Niagara outing a couple of years ago, is big into photography. I need to find a hobby to occupy myself while she's taking pictures. I just never quite made the digital transition. I've threatened to pack along an 8x10 view camera, looking for that one perfect shot each day.
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04-14-2016, 05:27 PM
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We stayed at Ruby'sRV park just outside Bryce, as we assumed the park campground would be full by the time we got there in the afternoon (given our experiences at other National Parks in the area). Then we drove into the park only that there were sites open. Ruby's was well maintained, clean and we weren't packed in next to land whales. They gave us a nice little corner site with no neighbors too close.
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04-14-2016, 05:36 PM
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One quick suggestion, stay around Kanab for a couple nights, then Zion, Bryce and Coral Pink Sand Dunes SP are all less than 80 miles away.....and the North Rim GC is 90 miles south....
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04-14-2016, 06:15 PM
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If you do Kanab, the tour at Best Friends Animal Society is worth seeing. Stayed at Ponderosa Grove BLM campground off Hancock Rd. Pit toilets, no water, but cheap. Coral Sands is just down the road. The Coral Sands CG fills up.
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04-14-2016, 06:22 PM
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We visited Canyonlands but didn't stay there. On the others, I suggest less time at Grand Staircase-Escalante and more time at Zion. We stayed at Zion Canyon Campground and Ruby's and would recommend both of them. No generator noise if you have a power connection.
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04-14-2016, 06:39 PM
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It's about 19 miles from Moab to the campground at Arches -- we arrived there in May the year that they first started doing reservations -- for half the sites. I'd checked in January and at that time it was all first come, but between then and May they changed their system and it was not fun competing for a campsite. It was worth it, but if you are only staying a day you might want to camp in town.
Zion was easy camping -- we had a reservation on the river at Watchman -- in May the river was deep enough for tubing, but in October it might be dry --it was so convenient! We could take a short walk into town and the grocery store was amazingly well stocked. We stayed there for 12 days.
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04-14-2016, 06:48 PM
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For Canyonlands Islands in the Sky and Dead Horse Point SP we stayed at Horsethief, another cheap BLM CG just down the road from both. No water there either but they had it at the Canyonlands visitor center. Easy to get to but you need to find a site fairly early, filled up in the afternoon.
PS, watch out for the afternoon breeze if you're downwind from the toilets.
They did have water in the CG at Arches, you just have to tote it to your site.
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04-14-2016, 08:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermilye
Kodachrome Basin has some full hookup sites.
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Yes it does, and we enjoy it there too.
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04-15-2016, 08:34 AM
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Southwest Tour Planning
Our absolute favorite camping experience ever was in the Devil's Garden Campground at Arches park. Unfortunately, when we tried to book a site there for September we learned the campground is closed all of 2016 for construction. Love your itinerary, though. I would second seeing Kodachrome Basin, though it is close enough to Bryce Canyon to do a day trip to.
Bob K
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04-15-2016, 08:41 AM
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rbryan4 beautiful rig and scenery thanks for sharing. Can you share your ecoboost towing MPG? Then I will back out and not de-rail the thread.
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04-15-2016, 09:08 AM
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Once again, thank you all for your suggestions. We have some additions to consider, and I don't hear anyone suggesting that we not bother with any of the places I've listed. In general, does the "two full days" per location sound about right? I know one could spend much longer at each, but we do need to keep moving. We just booked our Death Valley reservations beginning October 15. They just opened for reservations today.
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04-15-2016, 09:21 AM
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2 full days would work to hit the highlights. We did about 4 which worked out well for us. We could do most of the shorter hikes in that time frame as well as a day tooling around seeing the sights.
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