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Old 11-25-2014, 02:23 AM   #31
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Don and Teresa, I don't know how you get sleeping space in a 17' for four adults so perhaps that necessitates having no bathroom.

You sound though, as if you are not getting a bathroom because you think it would be more trouble to have one. I assure you from seeing your comments that the trouble is with not having one. Agree with Donna that you may be shorting yourself and future when spending the bucks.

We also have rarely been to a campground, as ModJim mentions, that did not prohibit dumping of gray water and have seen some places that require self-contained units.
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Old 11-25-2014, 09:37 AM   #32
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Very good choices.I had a 15A,i went with the raised axle[15"tires]vs the14" std.tires.A couple of reasons,pull vechile has 18"tires. 4" difference meant god only no's,trailer tires were revolving at 150mph+,while the tow vechile was doing 70mph.I tend to boondock ,off the beaten path,grnd.clearance.I had a tree branch,hook my wiring,underneath pulled it out.My new 21[March 2015] has a note to Reace not to use nylon pull straps to support my wiring.I travel alot of gravel roads,a rock hit's that plastic,wires are in trouble of dragging.
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Old 11-25-2014, 10:30 AM   #33
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We also have rarely been to a campground, as ModJim mentions, that did not prohibit dumping of gray water and have seen some places that require self-contained units.
What in the world do tent campers do with their gray (dish) water or are they not allowed as they're not self-contained?
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What in the world do tent campers do with their gray (dish) water?
I have two brothers with tent trailers, and they do their dishes in a dish pan outside, and just toss the water into the bushes(other than at campgrounds), the same as us.

They do have the same outlet for a garden hose to drain from the sink to a portable container, should the wash in the sink inside. The same setup that most small trailer without black tanks employ.
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I think the reference must be to commercial RV places as those prohibitions would preclude tent camping. I learned years and years ago that there is a world of difference between camping and RVing.
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I learned years and years ago that there is a world of difference between camping and RVing.
To me they are exactly the same thing, just done differently. We camp with folks in tents, tent trailers, fiberglass trailers, big stick trailers, and motor homes. We all doing it for the same reasons, and get pretty much the same enjoyment out of it, while doing exactly the same things. The difference is just with level of luxury inside whatever our temporary home may be.

And I be living in the lap of luxury camping in my Escape trailer.
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Hmmmm...this is interesting...um ...we don't actually have any tanks . Winterizing involves blowing out the water line screwing off the trap cap to drian - and done ! We almost always take full hook-ups and just drain into the sewer hook- up via the hose drain . No issues with the porta-potty . We also have a smaller ac/dc fridge ( that has always worked even in some scorching heat ) because it allowed for more floor space with turned out perfect for us . We are very comfortable in our 15A , would not change a thing . We are 68 and 73 if it ever gets too much trouble it'll likely be time to quite ( not any time soon ) . We have had a trailer with toilets and tanks in the past , not missing anything . Not worried about resale ....one of our off-spring will inherit ! ��
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Don and Teresa, I don't know how you get sleeping space in a 17' for four adults so perhaps that necessitates having no bathroom.

You sound though, as if you are not getting a bathroom because you think it would be more trouble to have one. I assure you from seeing your comments that the trouble is with not having one. Agree with Donna that you may be shorting yourself and future when spending the bucks.

We also have rarely been to a campground, as ModJim mentions, that did not prohibit dumping of gray water and have seen some places that require self-contained units.
Cathy,
If you look at the 17A layout on ETI's website, it shows a permanent queen bed in the front, and the dinette in the rear converts to sleeping for two.
Yes, I now see the need to have a sealed connection from my drain to the (sealed) bucket or tote. And wheels are always good to keep weight off the spine, so we'll get a tote, most likely.
In my experience, any campground that has a black water dump station will accept grey water as well.
Regarding the choice of 17A vs. B (w/the bath), this is something we had ruminated over extensively, and the 17A, by far, meets our criteria in trailer functions and features. Thanks for the comments; that's why we posted, so we don't shortchange our decision-making.
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Hmmmm...this is interesting...um ...we don't actually have any tanks . Winterizing involves blowing out the water line screwing off the trap cap to drian - and done ! We almost always take full hook-ups and just drain into the sewer hook- up via the hose drain . No issues with the porta-potty . We also have a smaller ac/dc fridge ( that has always worked even in some scorching heat ) because it allowed for more floor space with turned out perfect for us . We are very comfortable in our 15A , would not change a thing . We are 68 and 73 if it ever gets too much trouble it'll likely be time to quite ( not any time soon ) . We have had a trailer with toilets and tanks in the past , not missing anything . Not worried about resale ....one of our off-spring will inherit ! ��

Thanks for the confirmation. Our ages are very similar, and our thought process as well: when we get to where we can't do this anymore, the trailer goes to our kids. That's one reason we selected Escape: their quality of construction. We expect the 17A to last well into the next generation or two of our family.
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At almost age 66, I'm not dragging a tote or carrying a five gallon pail.
Ten years from now, it's even less likely I would do that.
It's something to consider. You're not going to get any younger.


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Good point... and the reason that I suggested wheels for the tote (whether now or years later).
Agree with Glen. Also, Brian, as you get older I don't think the wheels are that helpful. Water is heavy!!! Your needs change, plan ahead. We had folding bikes that we carried on the roof of the TV. It was more difficult each year to get them up and down. They now ride unfolded on the bike rack on the rear of the Escape - much easier!! We, personally, didn't want to be getting up and going out at night so we love having a bathroom. And, nothing like a hot shower when your in a primitive campground after a day of hiking, biking.

Good luck on your choices. Whatever gets you out camping can't be all bad.

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