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Old 10-17-2015, 12:30 AM   #1
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17a vs 17b or 19?

Hi everyone.
New member. Did the research years ago and wanted an Escape but the wife wasn't ready...now she is...and go figure...Escapes still rock!

We like the idea of having the biggest bed we can for 2 people so leaning toward a 17a or 19 if we can find one used in BC or Alberta this year.

2 questions:
1) is there sense that the 17Bs hold their values any better than the 17a because they b's have a toilet/shower?
2) does anyone feel strongly that if they were using an older SUV (well kept 2004 Nissan Pathfinder, v6, with an original max 5000lbs towing) that they would advise against towing a 19 with such a vehicle Cost aside, I'm leaning towards a shorter/lighter escape...but the 19 foot escape has that nice bed size we like so trying to figure out which unit we should really go after.

Apologies if this is a familiar question that's been answered!

Gracias,
James
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Old 10-17-2015, 01:26 AM   #2
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If I were doing it again ( keeping in mind that there was no 19' when we got our 17' ), I would get a 19' and a tow vehicle capable of 5,000 lbs.
My buddy towed his 19' with a Hyundai Santa Fe ( 3,500 lb capacity ), but has replaced the vehicle with a Toyota Highlander.
We gather in his 19' for dinners and for cards at the four-seat dinette. Wife appreciates the extra 4" width for passing one another in the kitchen area.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:50 AM   #3
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Welcome James. I'm biased and I freely admit it. Love the 19. Came within a couple months of having a 17 but changed our mind before the build started. As for towing it with a Pathfinder, you won't have the very best towing experience, but the vehicle is very capable of towing a 19.

Let the trailer be your deciding factor - not the tow. Many have said it here many times, but I'll say it again: tow vehicles change often - trailers, not so much. Get a trailer you'll be happy with in the long term.
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Old 10-17-2015, 01:25 PM   #4
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James:
We got our 17B in mid-Aug. We just got back from a 3 week trip to New Mexico and Colorado. Love the 17b and are very happy with it. Our tv is a 2008 Toyota 4Runner V6. While the 19 would have been within its tow limits (5,000 lb.), we would have probably had to use a WDH. I did not really want to do this, as it would have required replacing the factory receiver hitch. A major concern for us was the size of the bed (49" x 77"). After some 44 nights sleeping in it, the size is not an issue (although we are relatively small people). The 17B tows very well with the 4Runner, and coming from a backpacking/camping background, the trailer is absolute luxury! We really enjoy the convenience of the bathroom, while we've only used the shower a few times, not having to go out to the campground restroom in the middle of the night is great! Our son was able to join us for 3 nights, and the front dinette/bed worked fine for him. Good luck with your decision, but which ever Escape you chose, you"ll be very happy with the quality!
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Old 10-17-2015, 02:19 PM   #5
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James:
We got our 17B in mid-Aug. We just got back from a 3 week trip to New Mexico and Colorado. Love the 17b and are very happy with it. Our tv is a 2008 Toyota 4Runner V6. While the 19 would have been within its tow limits (5,000 lb.), we would have probably had to use a WDH. I did not really want to do this, as it would have required replacing the factory receiver hitch. A major concern for us was the size of the bed (49" x 77"). After some 44 nights sleeping in it, the size is not an issue (although we are relatively small people). The 17B tows very well with the 4Runner, and coming from a backpacking/camping background, the trailer is absolute luxury! We really enjoy the convenience of the bathroom, while we've only used the shower a few times, not having to go out to the campground restroom in the middle of the night is great! Our son was able to join us for 3 nights, and the front dinette/bed worked fine for him. Good luck with your decision, but which ever Escape you chose, you"ll be very happy with the quality!
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Why would you have to replace the hitch in order to use a WDH? I ask because I have a 2015 4Runner and I'm getting a WDH and I've seen this issue come up about the hitch.
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Old 10-17-2015, 02:31 PM   #6
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Erik:
Toyota is very specific in their owner's manual (also verified by several hitch shops) that the factory receiver hitch on the V6 is not suitable for use with WDHs. This is apparently due to the way it attaches to the frame. The factory installed receiver hitch for the V8 4Runners attaches to the frame at more points and does not have this limitation. Thus, we would have had to replace the factory receiver hitch to use a WDH--as several forum members have done.
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:16 PM   #7
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Erik:
Toyota is very specific in their owner's manual (also verified by several hitch shops) that the factory receiver hitch on the V6 is not suitable for use with WDHs. This is apparently due to the way it attaches to the frame. The factory installed receiver hitch for the V8 4Runners attaches to the frame at more points and does not have this limitation. Thus, we would have had to replace the factory receiver hitch to use a WDH--as several forum members have done.
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I've never heard of this before. I've got a 2013 Tacoma and my manual doesn't say anything at all about not using a WDH with the factory tow package. Is this something unique to the older V6 models or 4 runners or ??
I've had no issue at all towing my 17B with the Tacoma but to the original poster I would caution against using the older Pathfinder with a 19' trailer if they are planning on going up and down the Coquihalla on a regular basis. With my Tacoma I can barely hold 70Kph going up the snow shed hill and that's with a newer truck and only a 17B. It will do it, but it won't be any fun.
I do agree with others though in that you should buy the trailer that suits your needs and worry about the tow vehcile afterwards as tow vehicles will always change, but you'll probably keep the Escape a long time.

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I've never heard of this before. I've got a 2013 Tacoma and my manual doesn't say anything at all about not using a WDH with the factory tow package. Is this something unique to the older V6 models or 4 runners or ??
Although there may be some parts shared between a Tacoma and a 4Runner, the rear structure (and suspension) and thus the hitch are completely unrelated. The 4Runner's WDH restriction is irrelevant to the Tacoma.
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... With my Tacoma I can barely hold 70Kph going up the snow shed hill and that's with a newer truck and only a 17B. It will do it, but it won't be any fun.
I used to go up the Coq. heading up to and through the snow shed hill at 80K in my 2010 Ford Ranger 4X4 with tow package. Now, in my 2015 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 with tow package I breeze through the snow shed. Did Toyota Tacoma increase horse power in 2015? I've heard that Toyota Tacoma's 2016 has a smaller engine with increased horse power.
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I used to go up the Coq. heading up to and through the snow shed hill at 80K in my 2010 Ford Ranger 4X4 with tow package. Now, in my 2015 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 with tow package I breeze through the snow shed. Did Toyota Tacoma increase horse power in 2015? I've heard that Toyota Tacoma's 2016 has a smaller engine with increased horse power.
I think it is only on the 2016 that HP has changed. My 2008 and your 2015 probably share almost identical V6s. (And I am quite happy with its towing ability, but then I don't mind slowing down a bit climbing up mountain passes)
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