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Old 03-10-2014, 12:22 AM   #1
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I have a few build questions and I'm hoping that you can help out. When I first started lurking on this forum I thought the choices couldn't possibly be difficult Maybe you can help me out with my future 19'. I'm not sure if we will be boondocking or full hookups. We haven't camped in a trailer since the late 90's in a old Travelaire. I'd like all the options but have to draw the line somewhere. Current list has 2 way HW, stainless 2 burner and sink, 6.7 cf fridge, no micro, 2 extra windows, AC and voltage protection, door at end of bench, 2x6V, LED, shelves in wardrobe, and solar panel.

I'm not sure about radio and tv connections. This tech is changing every day and I'm not sure I want all the comforts of home. We'd probably be content with tablets and a portable radio. Insulation would be nice but most of our camping will be in a fairly moderate climate.

What is the function of the stove cover? Do you need it to protect the adjoining wall surfaces?

Do you like the rotated stove two burner stove? How many extra inches of counter do you get?

How fast do you typically empty a 20lb propane tank when boondocking with hot water and fridge?

How much insulation is extra insulation? 1.5x, 2x

Would bottom insulation exceed the value of extra insulation around the top?

Where are the dual 6V batteries typically located on the 2014 model? I think I've seen pictures of them on the rear bumper and some under the dinette.

Where is the optional inverter installed?

If I'm not blending margaritas and nuking popcorn, will the fixed solar panel on the roof keep me happy for a week in overcast weather?

Do I really need a hard wired 600 watt inverter? Camera, cell phone, tablet....is there something you think I'm missing.

How easy is it to tap into 12 volt power later on for stereo or additional lights.

Do the cabinets across the front of the trailer come standard with doors or is it just a shelf?

Is there a standard included exterior access door to the under dinette storage?

When interior walls are reinforced for future additions, is the whole wall reinforced or just small portions of it?

Well that's the first list. Sure glad you guys are around.
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Old 03-10-2014, 12:55 AM   #2
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[QUOTE=davescape;46270]If I'm not blending margaritas and nuking popcorn, will the fixed solar panel on the roof keep me happy for a week in overcast weather?

I've camped for a week with just the one fixed solar panel and had no problem even with overcast skies. That being said, it was in September so the weather was mild (didn't have to run the furnace very much at night), I didn't have to use much lighting (still long days), and the sun was still relatively high enough in the sky to burn through the clouds.

I just returned from a ten-day trip (February) and finally moved to a powered site. I may have been able to squeak by (I did the first night), but it was iffy and the last thing I wanted was to wake up in the morning with no juice to run the furnace fan (it was in the low 30s).
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Old 03-10-2014, 02:06 AM   #3
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I have a 17, but can offer my opinion on some of your concerns.

Those with insulation note that it is a sound insulator as well as heat.

I'm with you as far as technology changing, so I don't have any installed electronics. ( thinking what I'm going to do with my wired 5.1 audio visual receiver if we move into a condo? - throw it out I guess since nobody wants wires ).

With the stove cover down, you have extra counter space for drying dishes. Option is to find a cutting board that fits over the burners and use that instead of the cover, but cover does protect the wall from splatters. (Goggle http://www.epicureancs.com/ ). We do most cooking outside on a one burner butane stove and BBQ.

I'd get 12V outlets installed wherever you think you might use them. I have a small 200 W inverter for charging my iPhone and Mac Air ( also use it in the car ). Most other electronics work on 12V ( Sirius satellite radio, iPod dock, TV, DVD player ).
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:24 AM   #4
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Hi: davescape... If thumbs rule, I use this. Some options are better installed during the build, some can be added later. You have to sort them out to your own abilities. Alf
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You need to see one. Your questions and some responses:

What is the function of the stove cover? Do you need it to protect the adjoining wall surfaces?
It turns the stove area into workspace. No. We do not have it and don't miss it.

Do you like the rotated stove two burner stove? How many extra inches of counter do you get?
Yes - we have it. None - but the counter is more usable, there is more space between the sink and stove and less between the stove and back splash.

How fast do you typically empty a 20lb propane tank when boondocking with hot water and fridge?
Weeks - no way to quantify, it depends on YOUR usage.

How much insulation is extra insulation? 1.5x, 2x
Don't know - but we have it and the thermopane windows and like the reduced noise.

Would bottom insulation exceed the value of extra insulation around the top?
We have the tank foam - see previous answer.

Where are the dual 6V batteries typically located on the 2014 model? I think I've seen pictures of them on the rear bumper and some under the dinette.
It varies by model - on the 19 they are in the storage box or on the A-frame behind the gas tanks.

Where is the optional inverter installed?
Below the passenger dinette.

If I'm not blending margaritas and nuking popcorn, will the fixed solar panel on the roof keep me happy for a week in overcast weather?
Probably. No way to quantify, it depends on YOUR usage.

Do I really need a hard wired 600 watt inverter? Camera, cell phone, tablet....is there something you think I'm missing.
Only you can answer this.

How easy is it to tap into 12 volt power later on for stereo or additional lights.
Depends on where you want it. Very easy below the bed and dinette seats, harder in the overheads.

Do the cabinets across the front of the trailer come standard with doors or is it just a shelf?
Shelf.

Is there a standard included exterior access door to the under dinette storage?
2/3 of each dinette seat hinges up, after you remove the cushion
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I'll tackle a few of your questions...

r.e. power usage -- probably. Determining your usage is the only way to answer the question with certainty, but most likely you won't have a problem (particularly with dual 6V -- with those batteries, if you conserve power you can probably get by for a week without the solar at all).

r.e. inverter -- no, you don't need a built-in 600W inverter. You can buy an inexpensive 200W inverter that will plug into one of the 12V outlets that will do everything you listed.

This is what I do, but I ran into one problem -- the inverter is sensitive to voltage drop, so it only works when plugged into the outlet close to the front of the trailer. If I plug it into one of the rear outlets, as soon as I put any significant drain on it (including laptop charging) the voltage drops enough that the inverter gives up.

If I were starting over, I would consider asking to have the wiring to the 12V outlets upgraded. But I'd only do it if it was inexpensive, since I can get by using the front outlet.

r.e. access to front storage -- no, there's no standard exterior hatch to the front storage. As jamman indicated the standard access is the seat bench tops hinging up. A common option is an interior cupboard door right beside the exterior door. If you are considering an exterior hatch, stick with the passenger's side. There's too much infrastructure stuff on the driver's side to make it very useful storage.
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Well that's the first list. Sure glad you guys are around.
I feel your pain, I'm in the exact same boat only building a 5er. For me, it's not how I currently camp.. I know all about that... but the FUTURE... maybe for you too.

I'm with the others, some of this is about your ability to run wires, etc.

I decided, to get the items that run UNDER the insulation, because that's during the build even if I don't get the option. Like wired for solar and wired for A/C. Solar is getting better and better and cheaper and cheaper. My future MAY involve a suitcase solar panel. Look into that for yourself as well.

Extra insulation and dual pane windows are a way to extend your camping season. Those of us that own (or have owned) other all molded towables know all about lack of insulation and single-pane windows. For me, this is a must have.

Good luck with your decisions. Buy Tums
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I think he awning is in the way on the rhs for putting a exterior hatch there, I have one on the lhs and there is not much space there wth the black tank, surge protector and such , but it is useful space. The standard location for the batteries is in the front exterior storage box or on the tounge if you don't have a box. I wanted tore-locate mine inside and was talked out of it. I know "Ice-Breaker" has his in the rhs front diennete seat area. This is where I would prefer them as this space is not very easy to access even with the extra door and the batteries take up alot of space in the front storage box
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I think he awning is in the way on the rhs for putting a exterior hatch there, I have one on the lhs and there is not much space there wth the black tank, surge protector and such , but it is useful space. The standard location for the batteries is in the front exterior storage box or on the tounge if you don't have a box. I wanted tore-locate mine inside and was talked out of it. I know "Ice-Breaker" has his in the rhs front diennete seat area. This is where I would prefer them as this space is not very easy to access even with the extra door and the batteries take up alot of space in the front storage box
I do have the dual 6V batteries inside the front dinette. Standard location is in a plastic storage box mounted on the frame at the front of the trailer behind the propane tanks, or alternatively, in the front storage box if you have that option. Some are happy with the batteries outside in the box or on the frame. Others are not. I specifically asked to have ours moved inside. However, I have heard from others on this forum that Reace may no longer be offering to put the batteries inside the front dinette as an option. You would have to ask him if he would still do that.
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he told me inside is not an option.
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