|
|
12-15-2018, 10:14 AM
|
#21
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
|
I have often wondered if the bed in the TA is not colder since it sits directly on the floor, albeit carpet but still uninsulated whereas the 21 has the foam underneath outside as well as 15" of dear air space for a buffer zone? Any owners care to comment on the temperature differential in the winter?
__________________
Jim
Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
|
|
|
12-15-2018, 11:33 AM
|
#22
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
|
There is insulation under there, I had asked Reace once upon a time. Carpet, plywood on a frame to level the floor filled with insulation, from there either plywood or the fiberglass shell, the plywood being over the front storage.
I think it's colder up there cause you are surrounded by 3 walls and the roof with minimal insulation, not to mention an 18x18 plastic bubble with no insulation unless you add some. A small fan helps to distribute heated air from the main cabin. Close the curtain, if you add such, and you get almost no heat.
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
|
|
|
12-15-2018, 10:05 PM
|
#23
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Emerson, Manitoba
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0TA, 2022 F150 2.7EB
Posts: 1,848
|
We have never worried about being cold up in the 5.0 bed, in either trailer. We like sleeping in the cool - we turn our house thermostat down to 17C at night. In fact we're glad our newer 5.0 has the awning style single pane windows in the loft.
__________________
Adrian (and Beth)
We are all travellers in the wilderness of this world, and the best we can find in our travels is an honest friend.
Robert Louis Stevenson
|
|
|
12-15-2018, 10:59 PM
|
#24
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Bozeman, Montana
Trailer: 2018 5.0TA / 2018 GMC Canyon/Duramax
Posts: 561
|
Never really noticed it being any colder in the loft than rest of trailer, but I do like it colder than warmer.
|
|
|
12-16-2018, 07:43 AM
|
#25
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,532
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perryb67
In the end you need to purchase the one that ticks all your boxes. y
|
Perry, I don't think that trailer exists, as there always seems to be a lot of compromises made with any trailer. I look at it as which trailer more closely fits your needs. Memories can be made with just about any of them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by arniesea
All that being said, we have a deposit down on a 5.0 for delivery April 23.
|
Congrats to you and Paula. I had wondered as you guys sure seemed keen at the last rally.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
I have often wondered if the bed in the TA is not colder since it sits directly on the floor.?
|
For the most part there is no issue at all, but in extreme cold or hot in can get uncomfortable. Both Lisa and I like to sleep cool, with our thermometer set for 16°C (61°F)at night, but when well below freezing at night it can get a bit chilly. The fan I installed as been great though to circulate the heated air up into the loft. When camped in Butte Montana earlier this year we likely would have got a room without it. Temps when we set up in the evening were -13°C (8.6°F) and dropped a bit more by morning.
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f8...fan-10237.html
__________________
2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
12-16-2018, 07:55 AM
|
#26
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,532
|
For the most part we love our 5.0TA. The interior layout and all the storage there works fine for us. We both agree that the 21 would not fit our camping lifestyle. I do agree that though there is a bit more square footage of floor in the 5.0TA, the 21 does look more voluminous inside. I have made a few tweaks that have really made our trailer our own, with more planned for 'sometime'.
Most of the pluses others have listed I find too, so no need to get into them.
The biggest issue with the 5.0TA that I have come to find, is the lack of vehicular storage is an issue with not having use of all that bed space (or rear of an SUV space) due to how it is hitched. I know I don't need all the toys I want to bring along, but I love to have my duffle bag of fishing gear and rods, my inflatable canoe, our bikes, the LP fire pit, and so on, for when we do extended trips. If Jasper did not command the entire rear seat in my SuperCrew cab, I could likely fit most of my stuff back there, but he is not even 11 yet and in great health so will be on trips with us for many years to come. Still, as much as I grumble about this, it is nothing that stops me from going.
__________________
2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
12-16-2018, 08:23 AM
|
#27
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
|
As far as I've been able to tell there is no "perfect" camper, trade offs to all of the styles.
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
|
|
|
12-16-2018, 09:32 AM
|
#28
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0TA / 2016 Ram Eco Diesel 4X4
Posts: 8,035
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by padlin
As far as I've been able to tell there is no "perfect" camper, trade offs to all of the styles.
|
Hi: padlin... Not only are there "Trade offs" but "Tear offs" too!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
__________________
Quote Bugs Bunny..."Don't take life too seriously, none of us get out of it ALIVE"!!!
'16 Ram Eco D. 4X4 Laramie Longhorn CC & '14 Escape 5.0TA
St.Thomas (Not the Virgin Islands) Ontario
|
|
|
12-19-2018, 01:22 PM
|
#29
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Bremerton, Washington
Trailer: 2019 5.0 TA
Posts: 1,141
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
|
Thanks! We managed to get our deposit in on Nov. 30 to lock in the 2018 prices. Now I'm excited to have the Maple option. We will be heading to Chilliwack beginning of Jan to finalize our build sheet by the Jan 23 deadline.
__________________
- Arnie & Paula & Kizzy the rat terrier
https://www.arniesea.com
- 2019 5.0 TA, 2017 Tundra Platinum.
- Bremerton, WA
|
|
|
12-19-2018, 03:42 PM
|
#30
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Denver, Colorado
Trailer: escape 5.0ta
Posts: 28
|
Hello! I have a 5.0 TA on order and am shopping for a tow vehicle. I'm leaning towards the same truck as you, a Ram eco-diesel. Is that a storage box in the front of the bed? I'm also wondering if the Ram box option on the truck would interfere with the 5th wheel hitch at all?
Cheers!
|
|
|
12-19-2018, 04:09 PM
|
#31
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2019 5.0TA "Junior", 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
Posts: 1,600
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by soaring360
Hello! I have a 5.0 TA on order and am shopping for a tow vehicle. I'm leaning towards the same truck as you, a Ram eco-diesel. Is that a storage box in the front of the bed? I'm also wondering if the Ram box option on the truck would interfere with the 5th wheel hitch at all?
Cheers!
|
They say not to get Ram boxes if you will have a fifth wheel - on sharp turns when the trailer swings well to one side the kingpin arm can hit the side of the Ram Box.
I don't have my hitch installed in my 2019 Ram yet but I have moved the toolbox from the old truck, it sits in front of the wheel wells in our 6'4" bed and leaves plenty of room for the hitch rails. We had this arrangement in our old truck with a small fifth wheel and I really liked the secure storage that the toolbox provides. In a short bed truck, however, there wouldn't be enough room in front of the wheel wells for a toolbox like this.
You may notice the toolbox is sitting on a wood base to elevate it for easier access - it's 20 years old back when bed rails were shorter, in my old truck the top of the toolbox was even with the bed rails.
__________________
David, Mary, and the cats
|
|
|
12-19-2018, 07:56 PM
|
#32
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Victoria, British Columbia
Trailer: 2016/ 5TA Spirit Bear
Posts: 322
|
Storage box up front should not be an issue other than you lose some space to the box. Have one on my Tundra although I have to admit I removed it before my big trip last year in order to maximize space. The box will not interfere with the hitch.
|
|
|
12-20-2018, 09:11 AM
|
#33
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Naugatuck, Connecticut
Trailer: 2017 50 TA, 2016 F150, 2.7 Ecoboost
Posts: 1,056
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by soaring360
Hello! I have a 5.0 TA on order and am shopping for a tow vehicle. I'm leaning towards the same truck as you, a Ram eco-diesel. Is that a storage box in the front of the bed? I'm also wondering if the Ram box option on the truck would interfere with the 5th wheel hitch at all?
Cheers!
|
Pretty sure the Ram box set up would not work out with the 5.0. I have a hard folding tonneau, Fold-a-Cover, with built in tool box in my F150 with 6.5’ bed that works great. Carry tool box and bunch of other stuff securely and dry. And when not towing a lockable cover over entire bed. They may have 1 for the shorter bed but if I where looking for a truck I’d opt for the 6.5’ bed.
|
|
|
02-03-2019, 07:41 PM
|
#34
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Sunshine, North Carolina
Trailer: 2019 Escape 21
Posts: 75
|
We are looking at the 21' and the 5.0. Can anyone tell us approximately how much shorter the 5.0 would be than the 21' with a 2018 Chevy 1500 Silverado crew cab with 5.5' bed?
We really appreciate this forum and everyone sharing their advice and opinions. It is really helpful while trying to decide which Escape is right for us.
Thanks
|
|
|
02-03-2019, 07:44 PM
|
#35
|
Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,023
|
Hitch to bumper the 21' is within mere inches as the same length as the 5.0TA. There's two measurements that may make a difference to you. Overall towing length the 5.0TA is shorter as the loft is over the bed of the truck. The 21' has an interior length of 18', while the 5.0TA is 20' interior. The extra length in the 5.0 is taken up by the stairs, but also provides a hanging clothes closet as stock. The bathroom is smaller in the 5.0TA because it's a side bath, but the loft accommodates a queen size bed, while the 21' is a double.
__________________
Donna D.
Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
|
|
|
02-03-2019, 09:30 PM
|
#36
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbb
Can anyone tell us approximately how much shorter the 5.0 would be than the 21' with a 2018 Chevy 1500 Silverado crew cab with 5.5' bed?s
|
The 21' and 5.0TA are essentially the same length from bumper to coupler or pin, but the 21' hitches behind the truck's bumper (a few inches to a foot or more from the face of the hitch receiver, depending on your style of hitch), while the 5.0TA about three feet ahead of the face of the bumper. That makes the overall length difference of the combination about four feet.
A 2018 Chevy 1500 Silverado crew cab with 5.5' bed is 230.03 inches (19'2") long overall, and the trailers are about 21 feet long, so the overall lengths are roughly 41 ft for the Escape 21 (or a bit more with a long hitch), and 37 feet for the 5.0TA.
Exact numbers depend on hitch configurations, if you need to get closer for something like a critical parking space length.
|
|
|
02-04-2019, 07:37 PM
|
#37
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Sunshine, North Carolina
Trailer: 2019 Escape 21
Posts: 75
|
Thanks for the information. That helps. Now we have weigh the pluses and minuses to decide which one is best for us and the 4 ' shorter length (tow + trailer) is one of the pluses.
Thanks again for all the info on this great forum.
|
|
|
02-04-2019, 07:56 PM
|
#38
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
|
Looking at the pictures on the website, 3' maybe the amount saved over the tow behind trailer.
__________________
Jim
Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
|
|
|
02-04-2019, 08:23 PM
|
#39
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Tehachapi, California
Trailer: none
Posts: 515
|
For us, the 5th wheel decision was driven by a few different factors. Not necessarily in order of listed importance:
1. Overall shorter length vs. the same length bumper pull trailer. Our driveway is gravel and has a good downward slope. At the bottom it makes a sharp (<90 degree) turn which the rig has make. While I could do it with my previous rig which was approx. 40 feet, it was a challenge. Having 3-4 feet less length to contend with is significant.
2. I’ve never towed a 5th wheel but my understanding is they tow much nicer and are more stable than a bumper pull. I also hear that, while different, they are easier to back into sites, etc.
3. The fact that the 5.0 has a full-time, full-sized queen bed out of the main living area sealed the deal!
__________________
Greg
Formerly owned a 2007 24' HiLo/ 2003 Tahoe combo. Interested in the 5.0TA
|
|
|
02-04-2019, 09:23 PM
|
#40
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 5,210
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
...A 2018 Chevy 1500 Silverado crew cab with 5.5' bed is 230.03 inches (19'2") long overall, and the trailers are about 21 feet long, so the overall lengths are roughly 41 ft for the Escape 21 (or a bit more with a long hitch), and 37 feet for the 5.0T...
|
Our "short" Yukon is 202 inches so that could make the difference 2"+ shorter, however it seems to me that people who want 5th wheels want them and those of us who aren't necessarily into pickups not. Good to have choices
I asked Susan whether she thinks a 5.0TA would appeal to her and she asked " I would have to go down stairs backwards in the middle of the night?"
__________________
"We gotta get as far away as we can!"
- Russell Casse, Independence Day
|
|
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|