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Old 08-20-2015, 06:56 PM   #21
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Fwiw, I've used a 2009 Tacoma to pull a 19' nearly 6,000 miles since March. It does just fine, even in Colorado.

I use the Anderson hitch and would recommend a WDH of some sort; but I really haven't had any towing issues or concerns.
Is your 4Runner a V6 or V8?
I think I'll be fine either way and I'm getting the WDH.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:56 PM   #22
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Is your 4Runner a V6 or V8?
I think I'll be fine either way and I'm getting the WDH.
I have a 2010 4Runner with the 5 speed transmission and towed our 19 to Eastern Canada this summer. Lots of grades above 7% and one extended grade of 17%. I do have a wdh and two adults in vehicle- but no problems towing. On both incline and decline, tow vehicle and trailer seemed well matched. I'm very happy with both.
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Old 08-20-2015, 10:53 PM   #23
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The 4Runner uses a coil sprung rear end which means a nice ride, but put any weight in the back and it squats quite a bit.
True, it has coil springs, and I'll believe it's soft, but it's not soft because of the coils. You can have soft leaf springs, or stiff coils.

Fortunately, the coils make adding air bags relatively easy:install Coil-Rite or AirLift 1000 bags, which is cheaper and simpler than Ride-Rite or the equivalent AirLift for leaf springs. Unfortunately, the 4Runner installation is not nearly as easy as it is for some models, where the bags are just stuffed into the coils.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:01 PM   #24
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Our 2004 4runner SR5 V8 tows the 19' sweet. Just returned from AZ with 4200 miles and it towed like a dream. I tow on the ball so I can release the trailer quickly anytime I need to. When you have 4runner 4WD fulltime .. you can push or pull the trailer anywhere you want!

The rear on it drops a couple inches when hooked up to the trailer and we've never thought of the rear end as soft ... it's harsh without the trailer, we had custom seat cushioning installed.
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Old 08-21-2015, 12:04 AM   #25
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Original poster here. Just hauled my wife, daughter, some gear, and the 19' over the Snoqualmie Pass on I-90, going West to East today. We are heading home from Chilliwack. Didn't break any land speed records, and might have be tempted to if I had more power.
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:30 AM   #26
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Why is the highlander rated for towing more pounds then the new 4Runner? the 4Runner seems like a very sturdy vehicle.
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Old 08-22-2015, 01:21 AM   #27
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Why is the highlander rated for towing more pounds then the new 4Runner? the 4Runner seems like a very sturdy vehicle.
I'm sure the 4Runner - which is based on the Landcruiser Prado chassis - is sturdy, but structural strength is only one of many factors in towing ability.

If trying to guess towing capacity, I would look at factors such as wheelbase and rear overhang for stability, transmission cooling and durability, engine power and cooling, vehicle weight, and rear suspension and tire capacity. Although they are coincidentally identical in wheelbase and width, and the 4Runner would be expected to be superior in some other factors, the critical limiting factor (whatever it is) may favour the Highlander. Weight may be a bit of an issue, since the body-on-separate-frame construction of the 4Runner makes it hard to keep weight down and some 4Runner variants are a bit heavier than a Highlander, taking drivetrain capacity instead of leaving it for trailer weight. There is little difference in engines (slightly different sizes of the same engine family).

Toyota isn't guessing - they test their vehicles' towing performance against the SAE J2807 standard, which is based on the performance of the vehicle while towing a trailer in various conditions. The vehicle must pull and stop and control the trailer, while meeting performance targets (such as time to accelerate, and speed maintained up a grade) and not overheating or otherwise failing.

SAE J2807 specifies a reasonable hitch weight of 10% of the trailer weight (rather than the huge loads some people favour), so the ability to withstand high load downward on the hitch may not be a big factor.

Finally, although the ratings of the two vehicles are different, they are very close.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:11 AM   #28
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I'm of the opinion. "there's no replacement for displacement". I have done lots of towing. we moved out of our diesel rig so my 24 Kodiak had to be sold. now with a 19' Escape coming soon, my Chevy Silverado 5.3 liter should barely be adequate when fully loaded in the hills.
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:20 PM   #29
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I'm of the opinion. "there's no replacement for displacement". I have done lots of towing. we moved out of our diesel rig so my 24 Kodiak had to be sold. now with a 19' Escape coming soon, my Chevy Silverado 5.3 liter should barely be adequate when fully loaded in the hills.
I have the same opinion .Towed through the mountains on I 90 yesterday.(Bozeman Mt. to Coeur d'alene Idaho) Found my Ram 1500 truck with the 5.7 liter Hemi V8 , 8 speed tranny and 3.92 rearend barely adequate. From what I experienced yesterday ,I would never attempt crossing the mountains with a 4 or 6 cylinder vehicle towing a trailer (Ford Ecoboost being the exception)
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:33 PM   #30
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Problem must be expectations.
I've had no problem towing my 17B to Alberta ( more than once ), down to Idaho and back through Washington, with a 6 cyl.
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