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Old 08-28-2015, 12:48 AM   #41
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Brian B-P, you totally missed my point which is evident because you're continuing to compare turbocharged engines against non-turbocharged engines.
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Old 08-28-2015, 08:23 AM   #42
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It's sad that you find joy in other peoples misfortune.
tow trucks are a thing of the past, every service station use to own one. Talk to a tow truck driver and ask him what brands he hardly ever tows. As for joy, I call it internet sarcasm.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:14 AM   #43
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tow trucks are a thing of the past, every service station use to own one. Talk to a tow truck driver and ask him what brands he hardly ever tows. As for joy, I call it internet sarcasm.
You can call it whatever name suits your purpose.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:59 AM   #44
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Getting back to Erik. After 25 years plus as a Heavy Duty Mech the first thing is how much time it will be towing. At the end of the day its weight to power. I don’t want to above 70% max on the capabilities of the engine. My V8 4Runner pulls at 2500 rpm on the flats and 3300ish up a 6%er, red line is 5200. The motor will be on the road a long time. You can put all the stuff you want on a small motor, turbo, chips, pipes, spin it at 5000rpm and it will do the job. The but is how long will it last and how much of a beating will you get at the pump. Diesel’s and all about torque, you want to doctor it you for speed and the life to the next expensive rebuild will be short. Keep it stock with clean oil and it will it will still be pulling long after a couple of rebuilds on a high spinner. We will pay one way or the other if we try to cheat on trying to get away to cheap..
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Old 08-28-2015, 02:32 PM   #45
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Getting back to Erik. After 25 years plus as a Heavy Duty Mech the first thing is how much time it will be towing. At the end of the day its weight to power. I don’t want to above 70% max on the capabilities of the engine. My V8 4Runner pulls at 2500 rpm on the flats and 3300ish up a 6%er, red line is 5200. The motor will be on the road a long time. You can put all the stuff you want on a small motor, turbo, chips, pipes, spin it at 5000rpm and it will do the job. The but is how long will it last and how much of a beating will you get at the pump. Diesel’s and all about torque, you want to doctor it you for speed and the life to the next expensive rebuild will be short. Keep it stock with clean oil and it will it will still be pulling long after a couple of rebuilds on a high spinner. We will pay one way or the other if we try to cheat on trying to get away to cheap..
Accurate information !!
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Old 08-28-2015, 05:57 PM   #46
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Brian B-P, you totally missed my point which is evident because you're continuing to compare turbocharged engines against non-turbocharged engines.
I don't think he missed it. Comparing a higher displacement engine (turbocharged) to a lower displacement engine (also turbocharged) for the sole purpose of determining which has the most HP is not the exercise. He's simply pointing out that there ARE viable 'replacements' for displacement alone, like turbocharging. My 2.7L Ecoboost has solved the towing capacity, HP and torque conundrum by turbocharging, so that it performs like a V8 and doesn't have to be one. I fail to see why that doesn't make sense, but to each his own.
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Old 08-28-2015, 06:52 PM   #47
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You can call it whatever name suits your purpose.
What attracted me to fiberglass TT was the true lite weight of them. I passed on the Airstream dream, which is how this all started for me. You can call it other's misfortune or lack of caring for their vehicle.

One of the most impressive things I saw this ride out West was a big diesel pusher changing a flat on the side of the road during sunset. He looked to have every proper tool at 65mph. That impact gun was spinning.

I'm more of a traveler than a camper.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:28 PM   #48
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2015 4Runner vs 2016

The 2016 4Runners now tow at a capacity of 5,000lbs vs the 4700lbs...is it worth it for me to wait to get the 2016 or get a good deal on the 2015? What do you think about the 300lbs towing difference?
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:41 PM   #49
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The 2016 4Runners now tow at a capacity of 5,000lbs vs the 4700lbs...is it worth it for me to wait to get the 2016 or get a good deal on the 2015? What do you think about the 300lbs towing difference?
If you Google "2015 4Runner owner's manual" you will be able to open the entire 524 page owner's manual and read at page 456 that the 2015 is rated at 5000 lbs.

Not sure what may change in 2016. Hope this helps.
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Old 08-28-2015, 10:29 PM   #50
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The 2016 4Runners now tow at a capacity of 5,000lbs vs the 4700lbs...is it worth it for me to wait to get the 2016 or get a good deal on the 2015? What do you think about the 300lbs towing difference?
I'm guessing it's a data change, not a performance change. If that's a bad guess, then I wouldn't be concerned with a 300lb difference. My 2011 is rated for 5000lbs; and, as stated in post #8, I wouldn't hesitate to tow a 19 - at least initially.
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