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Old 07-12-2015, 08:10 PM   #21
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The way I read the numbers is you have 5,150 lbs to play with. I take the GCWR less the curb weight of the vehicle. If you added a Escape 19 to your FJ Cruiser with its 358 lb tongue weight you have 1,465 lbs for passengers, fuel and gear. An Escape 21 leaves 1,245 lbs for your use.
I agree with the approach.

Another way to look at the numbers is that with 5,150 pounds to play with...
  • If an Escape 19' with its base weight of 2610 pounds is added to the FJ Cruiser, there is 2,540 pounds left for passenger, gear (in either tug or trailer), fluids in the trailer, and options.
  • If an Escape 21' with its base weight of 3050 pounds is added to the FJ Cruiser, there is 2,100 pounds left for passenger, gear (in either tug or trailer), fluids in the trailer, and options.

From the table, those users added an average of 1,085 pounds to the 19', and 1,290 pounds to the 21'. If you know whether you are tending to basic or maxed-out equipment, and know how much stuff you plan to carry, you can guess where you would be in the that range.

The most conservative approach and assume about 1,400 pounds of stuff by using the trailer GVWR (4,000 lb for 19', 4500 lb for 21'), which is the heaviest that you are allowed to load these trailers.

This is just the limitation of the GCWR. As Paul explained, you also need to separately consider just the tongue weight of the trailer combined with other stuff in the tug and the tug itself, to not exceed the GVWR.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:31 PM   #22
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You are correct Brian, the curb weight does include fuel. Brian posses another way of calculating the GVWR, there are probably others. An observation I would have is you, with four travelers, will probably be above average in weight. Both inside the vehicle and the amount of gear and food carried in the trailer. The typical trailer that was weighed by Frederick the Scaleman was probably only outfitted for two people.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:21 PM   #23
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A Life Story. Oh and Some New Buyer Questions Too!!

So true. And, I'm always amazed at manufacturers who refuse to publish a hard GCWR. To me that's the most important number, and the one that's the most ignored. You can calculate it other ways, but I would much prefer a manufacturers number.
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The weight of a 19' is about 3000 lbs. with many of the options and the weight of a 21' is about 3600 lbs. with many of the options --- before anything is put in by the owner.
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The weight of a 19' is about 3000 lbs. with many of the options and the weight of a 21' is about 3600 lbs. with many of the options --- before anything is put in by the owner.
The dry weight of my 19 on the placard provided by Escape is 3170 lbs. On a scale, dry, its slightly heavier - 3210.
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The dry weight of my 19 on the placard provided by Escape is 3170 lbs. On a scale, dry, its slightly heavier - 3210.
What I am pointing out is that it is not the 2510 that used to be given for the 19' dry weight or the 2610 that is now given. Anyone's options likely add at least 500 lbs. --- in your case, even more. People tend to use the dry weight they see on the specs and then have no idea what the loaded weight would be because they do not account for the options.

The dry weight given for a 21' is 3050 lbs. but the dry weight given for ours is closer to 3600 lbs. And it has not been built yet, so I do not know how they come up with that number but maybe it is what they now give all 21's. Someone else can confirm. Or deny on their 21' that is built, on the title maybe.
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Old 07-12-2015, 11:11 PM   #27
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Went to the doctor the other day and discovered that my weight was 178 lb.
I thought it was 165 lb.
Used to be, but I kept packing stuff, I guess.
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Weighed my 21 on the road with half a tank of water a few weeks ago. 4100 lbs with all our junk.
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Went to the doctor the other day and discovered that my weight was 178 lb.
I thought it was 165 lb.
Used to be, but I kept packing stuff, I guess.
What you thought it was is the dry weight.
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Thanks, this all is very helpful and informative. But again, remember that it's me you're talking to. The guy who is a few sandwiches shy of a proverbial picnic basket...so in an effort to make it understandable to my befuddled mind, may I recap the FJ weight so far?

This is what I'm hearing; the FJ combined with either the 19' or 21' would be pushing the weight limits with the added stuff we take, but could technically fall within the GVWR or the GCVWR. And that as long as they did not exceed those limits by us exercising the judicious approach to how much we brought, we would be under the published limits and therefore would be upstanding citizens, role models that parents would point to and tell their children "someday, when you are older, I hope you tow just like them".

At least give me credit for asking...I know of people who have attached a trailer to the back of their vehicle and said "yup, its still behind us and our mufflers not dragging so we're good!" and drive off. Brownie points to me!!
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