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Old 07-13-2015, 09:19 AM   #31
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Having owned both a 19 and a 21 and since I carry about the same amount of stuff, the difference in weight between my 19 and 21 was approximately 400 lbs. My 21 comes in at 3800 and 500 on the tongue weight. It is the 100 lb difference in tongue that may make the FJ squat. If properly loaded, the 21 can be reduced to the equivalent 19 tongue weight.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:26 AM   #32
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The primary differences between towing the 19' and 21' will be the differences in total weight, the difference in tongue weight, and the differences in frontal area between the two. Towing with the FJ, it is not the increased total weight of the 21' that is going to have the greatest impact on towing, it is the tongue weight/sag (as noted above by cpaharley2008), and probably most importantly, the greater wind resistance due to the increased frontal area of the 21' over the 19'.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:46 AM   #33
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:14 AM   #34
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Sigh...I don't like where this is going...I sense I need a larger capacity to tow. Even with the 19', if we got the larger fridge, and the oven, and the box out front and 2 6v batteries and, and, and...now I'm depressed (not really). I would have to sell the FJ and get a horrid behemoth pickup, or keep the sardines-in-a-can Casita. Well, the upside to keeping the Casita would be that we already have it...but I kinda rather like the idea of an Escape...life can be so cruel...
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:18 AM   #35
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Nathan,
I think you got the idea. The forum members can post information, add anecdotal notes, make comments but you as the driver and owner are the only one who has the total picture. The goal is to give you as much information as possible for you to make your own decision, that is the beauty of this forum.

I guess what surprised me in all this was the low GCWR for the FJ. I would have expected it to be 10,000 lbs. I wonder if some is due to the short wheel base of the FJ?
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:40 AM   #36
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Nathan,
The thing about these fiberglass trailers is that they will out live several tow vehicles. Try it with the FJ and in a couple of years you can always change.
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:42 AM   #37
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It is so upsetting (not really) that the FJ has a the same engine as the Tacoma (239hp) has a 3.73 axle ratio, the wheelbase is only 15" shorter than the Tacoma, has a frame, and torque of 278 lbs and yet can tow 1400 lbs less. I smell something fishy in the state of Denmark! I think it could tow just as well with a couple of airbags in the rear, but somewhere at the 43 floor of a building in a Mega City, some lawyer and bean counter thought that because SUV's are for soccer moms and trucks are for burly fisherman, they'd just assign a lower weight and no one would care. Oh yes, and in case you are wondering, I believe in little green men!
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:43 AM   #38
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Sigh...I don't like where this is going...I sense I need a larger capacity to tow. Even with the 19', if we got the larger fridge, and the oven, and the box out front and 2 6v batteries and, and, and...now I'm depressed (not really). I would have to sell the FJ and get a horrid behemoth pickup, or keep the sardines-in-a-can Casita. Well, the upside to keeping the Casita would be that we already have it...but I kinda rather like the idea of an Escape...life can be so cruel...
I know that I am definitely an outlier here, but think I should pipe up and point out that there are many of us who tow 19s and 21s with vehicles that have a 5000 lb tow capacity, haven't had any problems and are happy with our towing experience. I am thinking of Honda Pilots, Toyota 4Runners, Honda Ridgelines, etc.

I use a 2014 Highlander, and while I don't like its limited bicycle carrying capacity , the driving / towing experience has been just fine. We have traipsed back and forth across the mountains, climbing 7 and 8 % grades several times. I have never felt underpowered. Never had a problem with sway. The only concern I have is not going too fast as we round sharp curves, but having a larger tow vehicle wouldn't mitigate that.

We just had the car in for a check up and oil change. The brakes are wearing normally, in spite of all the towing we have done. On our recent 5500 mile trip we averaged 15.0 mpg (probably about 500 miles of that was without the trailer).

I think CPA Harley had intended to try towing his 21 with his FJ. I don't know if he ever did really did that. But he may be the only person in this discussion who has towed a trailer with an FJ. When looking for towing advice, I try to find people who have experience with the actual vehicle, and figure out if their expectations are similar to mine. That is what I did when we had to buy a new tow vehicle for the 21, and so far it has worked well.

We all have to make our own decisions about this, and in no way am I making light of safety concerns.
Of course if you really want to be sure your tow vehicle will work, you might consider this
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:54 AM   #39
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Two things I remember about my towing with the FJ. First off we have 2 dogs and they really enjoyed the larger rear. We bought one of those bar things to keep them there. But the rear was useless for carrying as the door opens to the side. Other than putting items in the overhead roof rack, everything has to be carried inside the trailer. I also had to use the Andersen with the 19, air bags is an option for leveling but the Andersen also helps with sway. We had a Jeep Liberty prior to the FJ and was familiar with short wheelbase tow vehicles. But once I started towing with the Ram 1500, it was night and day and I never went back to the FJ. I traded it on a Subaru Forrester and got cash back, it does hold it's value, but they also are no longer making them.
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:58 AM   #40
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Nathan, you can tow with the FJ. Folks are just pointing out the capacities and the fact that you won't have alot of margin.
I think Jim has it right. Try towing with the FJ for awhile. You can always upgrade later.
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