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04-19-2015, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Floating Cloud
Has ETI put a water pump silencing kit in for anyone?
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What do you mean by a silencing kit - flexibe hoses instead of more rigid plastic piping at the inlet and outlet? That's how pumps are always supposed to be installed. More flexible mounting feet are another option.
Does anyone have a photo of the standard water pump installation in a 21', showing the plumbing attached to both inlet and oulet of the pump?
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04-19-2015, 07:50 PM
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I turn the pump on when I need it and off when I don't, and when it makes noise, I know that it's working.
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04-19-2015, 07:56 PM
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I leave the pump switch on, and the pressure switch turns the pump on when it is needed and off otherwise. When I open a faucet and water flows, I know that the pump is working.
Water pump noise isn't a big deal (although waking up one's spouse with a night-time water use or while trying to get breakfast going while they sleep in is not good). I just don't see why completely unnecessary noise would be acceptable.
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04-19-2015, 08:05 PM
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There is a method of reducing the pump noise. It is through the installation of an accumulator tank between the pump and the main pipe running to the faucets. It acts as a reservoir for water and means the pump will not come on with every facuet turn. I assume because the pressure can fill a larger area that the pump will not cycle as often.
Here is Brian's post on installing.
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04-19-2015, 08:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fudge_brownie
There is a method of reducing the pump noise. It is through the installation of an accumulator tank between the pump and the main pipe running to the faucets. It acts as a reservoir for water and means the pump will not come on with every facuet turn. I assume because the pressure can fill a larger area that the pump will not cycle as often.
Here is Brian's post on installing.
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When I asked ETI about installing the accumulator tank, they declined and mentioned it was an easy after market project. So, Ike bought one and we'll bring it with us when we pick the trailer up. If we have a chance to install it on this trip, great--but we will get it on the trailer eventually. He and I are both responsible for creating water pump noise when the other is sleeping. Peace~
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04-19-2015, 09:30 PM
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Did not mean a tank. There were some people who talked about putting some sound deadening material in there and I thought it was actually a kit that was sold but maybe not. Maybe this was just some material and I mixed it up with a kit that is completely different. It was padding around the area.
Seems I even heard of someone putting a mouse pad under there somehow and said it really cut down the noise.
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04-19-2015, 09:37 PM
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I posted this method for silencing the pump a few years back,
Read post 25
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f8...mp-1592-3.html
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04-19-2015, 10:00 PM
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An accumulator can be useful, but all it does for routine pump noise is make it occur for fewer but longer periods. Actual noise fixes involve isolating the inherently vibrating pump from the rest of the trailer: flex hose is the fundamental first step (which should be standard practice), and an isolating mount (such as Doug's nicely done foam-mounted platform) is the second step.
I doubt any manufacturer uses an isolating mount, but I still don't know how Escape is connecting the pump to the plumbing in the 21'.
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04-19-2015, 11:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PGDriver
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Yes, something like this. Thanks. Think someone had padding all around also.
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04-20-2015, 08:24 AM
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As discussed in a previous thread, I put some foam padding under my pump, used a flexible line out, and added an accumulator tank. The combination did two things, it made the pump a lot quieter, but you will still hear it in the middle of the night, and it eliminated some of those little chirps the pump makes when a minimal amount of water is used.
We can shut the pump off at night, and still get a couple quick flushes if needed.
This was quite easy work. The accumulator is an easy add. It can go anywhere in the water system, with the water line going through, or you can plug one side, and run a single line to it.
Here is a shot of the setup.
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04-20-2015, 09:09 AM
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See any reason a small expansion tank wouldn't work? at 1/2G it's bigger then the Shurflo accumulators.
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04-20-2015, 09:15 AM
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That is the same thing, Bob. It would work fine. Mounting would not be as easy as the Shur-flo type ones though, but a couple straps would likely work.
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04-20-2015, 02:49 PM
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#33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Floating Cloud
Think someone had padding all around also.
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Most of the noise issue in RV water pump installations results from transmission of pump vibrations though the piping and the supporting structure - I don't think there's much point trying to add sound-absorbing material to the cabinet, and I would want to avoid anything that might absorb water in a cabinet with a pump.
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04-20-2015, 02:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
Here is a shot of the setup.
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Thanks Jim. Nice setup.
It looks like you used crimped hose connections for the pressurized line from the pump to the accumulator - is that a a ready-made ShurFlo item? The suction side of the pump has a hose clamp on a barbed elbow connector, which seems to me like the practical way to go in this location where there is no pressure.
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