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Old 04-09-2015, 08:01 PM   #1
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Another 21' coming along! Questions

Yes, we are getting a 21'! Assuming we sell the 19'!

We know pretty much what we want from having the 19' but there are still lots of questions, some specific to a 21' and some not.

We want to reinforce the bath wall opposite window. How are people doing with weight on towel racks if their walls are not reinforced?

If you have 110s and 12Vs in the dinette under flip-up tables, are they actually below the tables or does it work to have them under the tables when not up?

Where is the best or worst placement for the exterior shower?

We want solar and an inverter, so there would not really be a reason to get 12V drops in upper cabinets, right?

Has anyone put the EMS display other than at the dinette?
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Old 04-09-2015, 09:07 PM   #2
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Cathy,
I believe you can have the EMS display moved up over the refer where the tank/pump switches/sensors are located. I had the bath wall reinforced and I was able to install towel racks on both sides without any issues, plus a magazine rack over the bed. If you place the 12v behind the pop up tables it would be neater but inaccessible. You would still want the 12v drops in the cabinets for future lights. I use battery lights in the cabinets but did get 2 lights under the bed for illumination.
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Hi Cathy- the 12V under the flip ups won't work I don't believe, however just above might. We did the solar/inverter and have just the standard 12V at the nightstand. May put another under D/S dinette bench as I did on our 17B, however you're right in that with the inverter we just use the AC outlets the few times we need another charge point. Our EMS is above the refer, a standard placement for us. We didn't reinforce any walls; Kim at first thought the wall at stovetop needed one for the flip-up, however Reace "reinforced" at N/C. We opted not to do elsewhere as they add weight- and am with others who if we wanted Umbra hooks we would just use tape.

Outdoor shower is on street side near standard front hatch. Like the height, however we sometimes wish it were on the curb side.
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I believe you can have the EMS display moved up over the refer where the tank/pump switches/sensors are located. I had the bath wall reinforced and I was able to install towel racks on both sides without any issues, plus a magazine rack over the bed. If you place the 12v behind the pop up tables it would be neater but inaccessible. You would still want the 12v drops in the cabinets for future lights. I use battery lights in the cabinets but did get 2 lights under the bed for illumination.
Our present display is at the dinette across from the door. We plug in electric and go check it. Hoping if it is moved to above refrigerator as you say, we can see it.

When you say bath wall reinforced, that is only on the bed side but you have no problem with towel rack on the other side, so that makes me wonder if we need reinforcement on that wall 6.

Lights in cabinets, duh, yes, we could use some more light (forgot no light there) but think we will go with some battery-powered as we have under the dinette. We have double pancake LEDs on the side wall next to the closet and they light up all of the cabinets on both sides as well as the refrigerator so I am wondering why the new ceiling lights do not put enough light into the cabinets including above the bed. Under the bed, that is a good idea. Could use battery type there also though.
Thank you for the tips.
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Hi Cathy- the 12V under the flip ups won't work I don't believe, however just above might. We did the solar/inverter and have just the standard 12V at the nightstand. May put another under D/S dinette bench as I did on our 17B, however you're right in that with the inverter we just use the AC outlets the few times we need another charge point. Our EMS is above the refer, a standard placement for us. We didn't reinforce any walls; Kim at first thought the wall at stovetop needed one for the flip-up, however Reace "reinforced" at N/C. We opted not to do elsewhere as they add weight- and am with others who if we wanted Umbra hooks we would just use tape.

Outdoor shower is on street side near standard front hatch. Like the height, however we sometimes wish it were on the curb side.
Ross, I thought the flip-ups have a little give to them and therefore could plug in there when tables down but the purpose of having sockets under the tables is really to put the items being charged on the tables! So no problem if we just put the tables up.

Glad to hear your EMS is above refer. Can you see it from outside at the door?

We are going to get some hooks but it seems people have said that there are studs of a sort to put them in without wall reinforcement, just as I guess people are doing at orientation who have no reinforced walls.

Curb side shower seems better but I guess it depends on whether you are actually taking a shower and muddying up the area on door side or just washing off feet from sand at the beach. I doubt we will be taking too many showers outside but if I say that, the next thing, we will be. Thank you for the info.
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Old 04-18-2015, 10:53 PM   #6
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Trying to get this build sheet done. Some questions pertain to any unit and some only 21's.

Wondering if anyone has put one of those little flip-up tables at the bed on bath wall. How did you decide exactly where?

Is there now an inside switch for the exterior D/S light?

Who has the extra hatch on the 21' and do you see some standard equipment when you open it? Would you get it again?

Does the winterizing t-valve bypass the water heater?

Why will Escape not put an electric water heater off/on switch inside? Code?

Does anyone have a photo of the whole wall area with cubbies inside door? Wondering how much space it takes and whether we might just prefer that area open.

If a wall is reinforced such as bed/bath, can something be put in with screws anywhere in upper 2/3 of the wall?

Has ETI put a water pump silencing kit in for anyone?
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Trying to get this build sheet done. Some questions pertain to any unit and some only 21's.

Wondering if anyone has put one of those little flip-up tables at the bed on bath wall. How did you decide exactly where?

Is there now an inside switch for the exterior D/S light?

Who has the extra hatch on the 21' and do you see some standard equipment when you open it? Would you get it again?

Does the winterizing t-valve bypass the water heater?

Why will Escape not put an electric water heater off/on switch inside? Code?

Does anyone have a photo of the whole wall area with cubbies inside door? Wondering how much space it takes and whether we might just prefer that area open.

If a wall is reinforced such as bed/bath, can something be put in with screws anywhere in upper 2/3 of the wall?

Has ETI put a water pump silencing kit in for anyone?

Crystal will send you a picture of the cubby since I decided against it I deleted the pic sorry
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Old 04-18-2015, 11:55 PM   #8
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I thought the side cubby for the 21 wasn't very useful, so built one half as high with deeper pockets (9,11,and 12 inches) to hold slippers and pocket junk. This left the top half open for hanging coats, hats, etc. Added hooks on each side with VHB tape. All made from ABS plastic that matches the fiberglass.

The wood one is the ETI cubby option.
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If you have ETI reinforce a wall, it was done in my rig with rectangular pieces of plywood, so the reinforcement may or may not go all the way back to the outside shell. In my 21 closet that ended about 3 inches short of the outside fiberglass. If you need it there you might want to confirm that it does exist.
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Old 04-19-2015, 12:26 AM   #10
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If you have ETI reinforce a wall, it was done in my rig with rectangular pieces of plywood, so the reinforcement may or may not go all the way back to the outside shell. In my 21 closet that ended about 3 inches short of the outside fiberglass. If you need it there you might want to confirm that it does exist.
Thank you for the photos, Charlie, as that space is smaller than I thought. Good idea to only do half. We are reinforcing bed/bath wall and I thought the lower 1/3 is left when they do that but not sure. Don't need lower 1/3 anyway. Expect we will then be able to put hooks for heavy items in bath and on bed wall. Want to hang heavy wet stuff in bath when rains.
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