Awning & window changes

[gocamp]

Originally Posted by richardr

....... However Reace told me they were designing rain guards (gutters) that would go over the top of the windows, using double sided tape, to keep the rain away from the top hinge.....

Well there you go, a physical barrior against water over the top hinge. ETI is committed to the frameless windows for long term then, and also offering the single pane frameless still. if they have the confidence , so do I. I'm sure design and fabrication for this guard was not cheap. Who knows, once hehr gets their dual payne delam defect fixed ETI might go back to the dual payne. I appreciate that top window guard Reace , thanks for backing us up!

PS- don't confuse Richards post with eze gutters from an aftermarket company.

[MikeS]

Originally Posted by richardr

Right after Osoyoos this past year, we were at ETI getting the frameless rear window repaired. It had a very small leak that occasionally, with a light rain, would dribble down the screen. Unfortunately due to our rear light being mounted high and to one side, ETI couldn't remove the window to repair it. However Reace told me they were designing rain guards (gutters) that would go over the top of the windows, using double sided tape, to keep the rain away from the top hinge. I told him I would be satisfied with the rain guards and asked to be put on the waiting list.

Originally Posted by gocamp

Well there you go, a physical barrior against water over the top hinge. ETI is committed to the frameless windows for long term then, and also offering the single pane frameless still. if they have the confidence , so do I. I'm sure design and fabrication for this guard was not cheap. Who knows, once hehr gets their dual payne delam defect fixed ETI might go back to the dual payne. I appreciate that top window guard Reace , thanks for backing us up!

PS- don't confuse Richards post with eze gutters from an aftermarket company.

I’m curious as to your assumptions. ETI is discontinuing the option of frameless windows but you believe that implies they are committed to them? I would suggest the exact opposite. I believe they will offer them at some point in the future as the make their normal upgrades, but wouldn’t characterize that as a commitment beyond addressing warranty concerns.

You also seem to be making the assumption that ETI is “fabricating” a gutter and should not be confused with the EZE gutters previously mentioned. Richard is indicating that ETI is utilizing tape just like the EZE prouduct. We have a picture from an owner indicating ETI installed a new gutter on his trailer, that looks remarkably similar to the aforementioned gutter. His picture is in the following post.

http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f7...tml#post253899

[cpaharley2008]

The picture shown does differ from the E-Z-gutters as it directs the flow over the windows, not around them. Either way it should work....

[gocamp]

Donna mentioned single pane frameless still offered as standard. If you don't believe Richard, you can call ETI and they can answer any confusion you have with their invention Mike, happy camping.

PSS- don't confuse Richards post with eze gutters from an aftermarket company

[MikeS]

Originally Posted by gocamp

Donna mentioned single pane frameless still offered as standard. You can call ETI and they can answer any confusion you have with their invention Mike, happy camping.

PSS- don't confuse Richards post with eze gutters from an aftermarket company

Thanks I missed the fact the single pane frameless will still be offered. Donna’s post is here.

[MikeS]

Originally Posted by gocamp

Donna mentioned single pane frameless still offered as standard. If you don't believe Richard, you can call ETI and they can answer any confusion you have with their invention Mike, happy camping.

PSS- don't confuse Richards post with eze gutters from an aftermarket company

The confusion is you appear to be insisting ETI fabricated and invented the weather stripping which Richard stated it was from Hehr. He also stated it was applied with adhesive.

You are correct it is not the same product as EZE, just similar material and installation method. Either may be an option for a current owner experiencing an issue. And I would agree the best option is most likely directly from ETI, if that is an option.

[richardr]

Originally Posted by Rossue

Hi Richard- um, say what-they cannot remove the window due to a rear light? C'mon!

The screw at the top end of the window cannot be removed without removing the light.

[MikeS]

Originally Posted by richardr

The screw at the top end of the window cannot be removed without removing the light.

This light is the optional exterior light and not a brake light, is that correct?

[richardr]

Originally Posted by MikeS

This light is the optional exterior light and not a brake light, is that correct?

Yes. I had it mounted above the window because I carry bicycles on the back of the trailer.

[cpaharley2008]

I do not think Escape is offering single pane frameless. As of 2019 it will be single pane framed or double paned framed, but no frameless. I have a 2019 build sheet and the only option is "extra insulation and thermal windows" and all windows are framed.

[Captm]

A good video explaining duel pane and thermal pane windows in RV's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8u7C-gBNY4

[Hilola]

The statement in the video that RV's do not have an air gap in the windows may be true for most RV manufacturers, but not all. For instance, Lazy Daze class C's use windows that have a 1/4" air gap in all their windows:

http://www.lazydaze.com/FEATURES.PDF

[PGDriver]

I totally disagree with the video.
Thermal Pane, dual pane, sealed units all refer to 2 panes of glass ( normally 3mm in rv windows) separates with an air space 0.125” - up to 1.0”. In some instances argon gas is pumped in during the manufacturing process and low E coating is used on surface 2 or 3 of the seal unit.
The glass is held apart by a aluminum spacer bar filled with desiccant or by a product called Super Spacer which has desiccant contained inside.
Then there is an outer seal of silicone, butyl or polysulphide. Once the outer seal has lost its integrity the unit fails.
Todays RVs today come as the Escapes do with single pane or a sealed unit which gives you an efficiency of up to 3 on the R value scale.

[KarenH]

Originally Posted by PGDriver

I totally disagree with the video.

But I'm curious what he has to gain by fabricating this story line?

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by KarenH

But I'm curious what he has to gain by fabricating this story line?

Fame and a conversation starter on a public forum....

[PGDriver]

Originally Posted by KarenH

But I'm curious what he has to gain by fabricating this story line?

No clue, but as a ticketed glazier I can tell you if you google the things he says you’ll see for yourself.
I have made hundreds of sealed units and have worked on many RV windows and have no clue where he’s coming from short of him mentioning a single pane has an R value of under 2 which is correct.

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by PGDriver

I totally disagree with the video.

Is on the interwebs so it must be true, right?

Though I agree he is off base with most things.

[PGDriver]

Originally Posted by Jim Bennett

Is on the interwebs so it must be true, right?

Though I agree he is off base with most things.

And we all know what they say is born every 5 minutes [emoji23].

[wetzk]

I noticed the front window frame and glass collecting condensed water in the mornings when we were up in cold climates. The rest of the windows were dry.
I looked and did not see a video on rubber roofs. I guess he's fine with those.

[Adeline]

How do you solve the problem of the water collecting on the awning in the rain?

If you had to do it again would you order the crank version?