Benefits of upgrading from 19' to 21'

[h2owmn]

Isn't it great that everybody gets to have it their way!

[cpaharley2008]

I guess no one has ever received an upgrade on their airplane seat or hotel room. You are still in the same place but better surroundings. No change in performance, just more comfortable.

[Steve Clark]

I don’t consider any trailer within the Escape family as being an upgrade. It’s all a matter of size and preferences. Upsize and downsize is how I look at it, as each is an excellent choice.

[cpaharley2008]

Each one of my 3 Escapes have been different, both in size and features and model year. I'm pleased to think I have had the chance to upgrade each time. We can disagree on semantics.

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Steve Clark

Upsize and downsize is how I look at it, as each is an excellent choice.

Well put, Steve.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by Artlady

The 19' layout in a 21' . But then, there still exists the difficulty for some people to crawl over each other in order to get out of the bed.

I don't know. I've had both types of bed. I didn't find scooting down to the end, trying not to pull the covers off my wife, any easier. We had an island queen in a boat, if only.....



What I would ideally prefer, would be if ETI could make the bed into a Murphy type or folding- type bed, thus rendering even more floor space. But that would be a difficult change to install.

For a person that's a bit handy that seems like it could be done fairly easily. I've had both my bench seats and the bed structure apart. It's mostly held together with screws. Looking at my open space where the bed was I can see that it'd be quite easy to have something like a folding bed in that area. Just a bit of relocation of the plumbing lines and misc. stuff.

[Eggscape]

My wife also does not like the 21 because the first thing people see when entering is the bed. We also like to sit at the table in the front and watch people walk by.
If they made a 21 in the same plan as the 19 with the extra space used to make either a king bed in the rear or twin beds that the buyer could select, this would be a hot seller. That way you could enter the king bed from the foot of the bed.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I guess no one has ever received an upgrade on their airplane seat or hotel room. You are still in the same place but better surroundings. No change in performance, just more comfortable.

I've certainly seat and room upgrades. They come with more comfort, and no disadvantages. That's not the situation in the Escape model choice at all, and already explained.

[Bob in Bend]

While I believe I have a pretty goof understanding of the interior differences between the 19 and 21 Escapes, I would appreciate details of towing the two models. Clearly the 21 is app. 22 longer, 4 inches wider and heavier; but how does this play out in towing, backing up, etc..

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by Eggscape

If they made a 21 in the same plan as the 19 with the extra space used to make either a king bed in the rear or twin beds that the buyer could select, this would be a hot seller. That way you could enter the king bed from the foot of the bed.

Well, there you go Proving, once again, that there's a ton of difference in opinion in what folks prefer. If I had an extra 2' in a 19 layout it'd all go into the center area, extra length counter and closet etc.

Ron

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Bob in Bend

While I believe I have a pretty goof understanding of the interior differences between the 19 and 21 Escapes, I would appreciate details of towing the two models. Clearly the 21 is app. 22 longer, 4 inches wider and heavier; but how does this play out in towing, backing up, etc..

Other than the 21 being a bit heavier, and 2" wider on each side (put this way for the sake of rear view from the mirrors), there really would be little difference in towing. Both trailers are known to handle quite well. Reversing would be marginally better with the 21, in that the axles are a bit further back from the pivot point on the hitch, but that too would be marginal.

I would think any small differences in towing is negligible, and for me would not factor into the decision on which one would work best for me.

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by Bob in Bend

While I believe I have a pretty goof understanding of the interior differences between the 19 and 21 Escapes, I would appreciate details of towing the two models. Clearly the 21 is app. 22 longer, 4 inches wider and heavier; but how does this play out in towing, backing up, etc..

I'm probably the only forum member here that can answer that question correctly as I went from a 19 to a 21 and back to a 19 all with the same type tow vehicle. The 21 is wider and heavier than the 19, both in the classic and 2nd G style. I had to use mirror extensions when towing the 21 and install air bags on my truck to keep the rear from squatting too much. I towed the 21 with an Andersen w/d set up and currently tow the 19 without a w/d set up. the tongue weight on the 21 is/was about 75# heavier, 500# for the 21 vs 425# for the 19. Trailer weights were also heavier with the 21. My gas mileage avg 12 towing the 19. When I got the 21 I upgraded my 2009 Ram for a 2014 Ram, both with 5.7 motor but the newer unit has 8 speed automatic vs the older 5 sp transmission and 3:21 in the new vs 3:55 in the old rear ends. My mileage increase to 13 mpg towing the 21 and now 15mpg towing the 19. No mirror extensions needed with the new style.
Although my 19's were different, classic vs 2ndG, the increase of mileage 12-to 15 I feel is due to less drag and the transmission/rear combo in the new Ram. The change from 13 to 15 and from the 21 to the 19 again less drag with the new style and less weight. Same 2 people and 2 dogs in all 3 Escapes and same type of driving, 12-18 hour stints, same routes crossing country same time of year and weather, so that should eliminate external impact on these numbers.

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

Well, there you go Proving, once again, that there's a ton of difference in opinion in what folks prefer. If I had an extra 2' in a 19 layout it'd all go into the center area, extra length counter and closet etc.

Ron

I agree. Counter space, counter space, counter space. Comes in REALLY handy. A queen bed is plenty for us, and the "crawlover" isn't really an issue.

[Dave Walter]

This past summer I upgraded from a 19' to a 15B. If the opportunity arises, I may upgrade my 15B in a couple of years to a 5.0TA.

[Steve Clark]

Originally Posted by Dave Walter

This past summer I upgraded from a 19' to a 15B. If the opportunity arises, I may upgrade my 15B in a couple of years to a 5.0TA.

Wipe that snicker off your face, Dave Walter........

[Old Fulica]

Originally Posted by Eggscape

My wife also does not like the 21 because the first thing people see when entering is the bed. We also like to sit at the table in the front and watch people walk by.
If they made a 21 in the same plan as the 19 with the extra space used to make either a king bed in the rear or twin beds that the buyer could select, this would be a hot seller. That way you could enter the king bed from the foot of the bed.

I discussed the idea of a 19 floor plan in a 21 footer with Reece about 2 months ago. I wanted 2 twins in the rear. At the moment, the fibreglass mold wont allow this (the fridge makes it impossible). But he suggested it may be an option in the future. This is what I am waiting for.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by Old Fulica

I discussed the idea of a 19 floor plan in a 21 footer with Reece about 2 months ago. I wanted 2 twins in the rear. At the moment, the fibreglass mold wont allow this (the fridge makes it impossible). But he suggested it may be an option in the future. This is what I am waiting for.

How strange. In the past I'd sketched it out, just in case a flood damaged etc. 21 came on the market, to see how it'd work out. I guess it depends how closely you'd want to follow the 19 floorplan but in my case, expanding the kitchen space it seemed like the location of the door was the deal killer. I wouldn't mind doing a gut re-hab on an interior but I draw the line at cutting out and relocating the door.

Ron

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

....in my case, expanding the kitchen space it seemed like the location of the door was the deal killer. I wouldn't mind doing a gut re-hab on an interior but I draw the line at cutting out and relocating the door.

I did the same thing Ron. I sketched it out in Visio as well. That's why I say I'm dreaming of an "Escape 23". The extra space would mean a queen/pseudo-king either in the front or the back, and the door location in relation to the axles would be relatively unchanged.

Hey, it's fun to speculate...

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

I did the same thing Ron. I sketched it out in Visio as well. That's why I say I'm dreaming of an "Escape 23". The extra space would mean a queen/pseudo-king either in the front or the back, and the door location in relation to the axles would be relatively unchanged.

Hey, it's fun to speculate...

Absolutely and sometimes that's the start of something that actually becomes a reality.

Escape 23, I think that you're on to something. Heck, that would allow 18" more counter space and 2 1/2' more in the bed area allowing for an island queen. Easy access to both sides. Yup, fun to speculate.

Ron

[Mark James]

They are both great trailers and they are both manageable in terms of maneuvering from place to place. I liked the size of the 19 when it comes to towing.