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Old 12-27-2016, 09:14 PM   #21
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Can't answer for others, just a comment - the first owners of our EggCamper ran a pair of 10 gauge tinned marine grade wires directly from three 12V deep-cycle batteries on the tongue to a 1000W inverter mounted beside the bed to run two CPAP machines overnight while boon docking. We don't need/use CPAP, so instead we have a really nice outlet that is way over-engineered for our little 19" television.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:23 PM   #22
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Wireless Back - Up Camera Display Monitor with 12V Plug DO NOT WIRE TO CLEARANCE LIGHTS - WIRE TO BACK-UP PIN TO 7-PIN PLUG

Just curious do you need a 12v plug for the display, thought it came that way. Also why are you not wiring back up camera to clearance lights- so then you could see the road behind your trailer when turned on.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:30 PM   #23
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Also why are you not wiring back up camera to clearance lights- so then you could see the road behind your trailer when turned on.
If you are looking in the direction you are going, far down the road, and you are not distracted by navigation and rear view cameras, you don't have to concern yourself with what is behind you.
You will have plenty of time to gently slow and that tailgater won't be taken by surprise. You will also lower your blood pressure.
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:46 PM   #24
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I see you are requesting AWG 10 wires instead of the usual AWG 14. How much is ETI charging for the larger wire?
My understanding from ETI is that the usual 12 volt drop wiring is 16 gauge. The usual 12 volt outlet wiring is 14 gauge and is rated for 15 amps.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:08 PM   #25
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My understanding from ETI is that the usual 12 volt drop wiring is 16 gauge. The usual 12 volt outlet wiring is 14 gauge and is rated for 15 amps.
Thanks for the correction.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:23 PM   #26
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We run 15A circuits all the time to bathrooms, and though code does not require it, put nothing else in the circuit. This easily handles hair driers.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:47 PM   #27
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I think the 15 amp circuit being discussed is 12 volt not 120 volt. It wouldn't run much of a hair dryer.
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Old 12-28-2016, 12:03 AM   #28
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I am curious as to what loads you expect to want #10 wires, and are the outlets rated for 30 amps?
The AWG 10 request is more about voltage drop over the length of the wire.

I requested AWG 10 for the 12 volt drops after reading a report of some plug in inverters having problems using AWG 16. See Plug in inverter

The inverter that I might get, if I ever need it, is the 200 watt Wagan EL2600 Elite. I read the manual on this inverter and found that it will give an audible alarm if the voltage drops to 10.5 volts plus or minus 0.5 volts, so in theory it could sound an alarm if the voltage reached 11 volts.

My farthest outlet at the front of the trailer on the upper cabinet is about 21' from the converter. At that distance, with AWG 10 wire and 20 amps, the voltage drop is about 0.42 volts. The lead acid batteries should reach 11.42 volts when they are about 75% discharged. If the batteries are more discharged that that, the alarm could sound. I consider this level reasonable.

AWG 16 wires have significantly more resistance, in fact almost exactly 4 times the resistance of AWG 10. This leads to a drop of 1.68 volts in the same conditions. The battery would have to be above 12.68 volts in order to see more than 11 volts at the outlet. This is about equal to the full charge voltage of a lead acid battery, which isn't going to work very well.

Also, with AWG 16, the wires are wasting about 13% of the power being provided just to heat the wire when drawing 20 amps. Your battery is effectively 13% smaller if this is your main load. With AWG 10 that reduces down to a little more than 3%.
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Old 12-28-2016, 12:25 AM   #29
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Wireless Back - Up Camera Display Monitor with 12V Plug DO NOT WIRE TO CLEARANCE LIGHTS - WIRE TO BACK-UP PIN TO 7-PIN PLUG

Just curious do you need a 12v plug for the display, thought it came that way. Also why are you not wiring back up camera to clearance lights- so then you could see the road behind your trailer when turned on.
Actually, I plan to ultimately hook this up again to the clearance lights, however for somewhat complicated reasons, I chose to purchase the trailer in this configuration initially. The end result that I am trying to reach is to have an internal switch that turns on the outside clearance lights when camping, but keeps the license plate light and the camera turned off. The only way to do this was to split the main clearance lights into one group and the license plate and camera into a separate group, hence this request to ETI which at least ensures that I'll have a separate wire for the camera that I can later move the license plate to. I'm attaching my wiring diagram to show the final electrical wiring.
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Old 12-28-2016, 01:02 PM   #30
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Sure you saw the recent TP holder mess-up and hope you will pay attention to that!
What was the thread on the TP holder mess-up. I can't seem to find it.
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