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Old 04-16-2017, 02:08 PM   #1
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Condensation on new 2nd gen?

so now that people have been camping in various climates with the new frameless windows and improved wall insulation in the 2017s (there was an improvement in the insulation right?), how are the condensation issues?? Same, worse, improved?
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Old 04-16-2017, 04:05 PM   #2
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so now that people have been camping in various climates with the new frameless windows and improved wall insulation in the 2017s (there was an improvement in the insulation right?), how are the condensation issues?? Same, worse, improved?
We have a 2017 21'
Extra insulation
Under body foam
Frameless windows.

And have camped from just below freezing to hot

Before we put pool noodles down around the permanent bed, we had slight condensation between mattress and wall. Very slight.

Now with the air gap, due to pool noodles - zero problems.

Very happy.

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... improved wall insulation in the 2017s (there was an improvement in the insulation right?)
The wall/ceiling insulation was changed from Reflectix (aluminized bubble wrap) to a 1/2" thick closed-cell foam sheet (usually used as packing foam), either with the design change last year or at about the same time. Since the Reflectix was not facing an air gap, the new foam will will certainly be better... but I don't know whether the improvement is noticeable.

The new insulation appears to be polyethylene foam, which has an insulation value of roughly R-3 per inch of thickness, although the value will depend on the density of the foam. That means about R-1.5, plus or minus; the Reflectix will much much lower.
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So far zero problems, although the coldest we have been in is about 28 degrees F.
The trailers seal is very nice no noticeable drafts or openings average inside/ outside temp difference is around 12 to 15 degrees F. in both hot and cold temps.
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In addition Escape is using a smaller mattress, perhaps 2" less that means it is no longer crammed against the exterior walls, there is actually a little space all around that allows air and eliminates condensation issues.
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In addition Escape is using a smaller mattress, perhaps 2" less that means it is no longer crammed against the exterior walls, there is actually a little space all around that allows air and eliminates condensation issues.
On our 2013 the queen mattress has a air gap all around the mattress . Pat
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Using the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions helps with any condensation , also makes a nice slat to back cushion , making more comfortable . Pat
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We did the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions and it works really great. Puts the cushion back at the correct angle.
Think you told us about that one, Pat!
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We went from single glazed and no extra insulation to frameless with extra insulation and spray foam underneath. Way better. Not quantifiable, but we're happy. We do shower and cook in our trailer and the condensation is quite manageable. If we wanted the same results in our previous trailer we would have had to use the campground showers, boil our eggs outside, and sleep in the truck. The floor is quite a bit warmer. I think our dog is more comfortable. That's all that really matters
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Using the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions helps with any condensation , also makes a nice slat to back cushion , making more comfortable . Pat
Thanks Pat will give it a try.
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