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Old 04-14-2016, 03:19 PM   #1
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Fiamma vs Dometic Awning

Decided to ask this question as a new thread as I've kind of lost track of which thread the Fiamma awning was originally mentioned on.

I briefly looked at their site last night and their products look nice. But, I'm not an awning expert, so what do I know? Therefore the following questions:

1. For the person that first mentioned wanting this brand of awning (or anyone else familiar with it, I guess) - why do you want this one over the Dometic?

Yes, I did watch the Dometic video and read some horror stories on other forums and even posted about them here when the brand was first mentioned by ETI. I have not done the same research (yet) on the Fiamma.

2. Would the Fiamma fit in the molded-in spot that ETI made for the Dometic awning? I'm thinking it will due to Jim Bennett's post about how Reace hadn't decided which awning to go with when he was there recently.

3. What advantage of the Fiamma over the Dometic (kind of similar to #1, I guess)?

4. I see that the Fiamma has attachable walls and screens - that's kind of cool. However, what happens when the wind picks up? Do you have to tear all that down right away? Same with rain?

5. Have the Fiamma awnings been produced (and used in real world situations) longer than the Dometic ETI is getting? Therefore there's more confidence in them?

And any other comments/thoughts/theories/whatever I might have forgotten to ask about, please include them in your replies as I'm trying to learn more about what's what with the awnings.

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Old 04-14-2016, 03:34 PM   #2
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Seeing that Escape has made a decision on which awning to go with, this discussion (at least to me) seems moot.

Do you know for sure that Escape will sell a trailer without the awning they chose to use, to allow a customer to install something different?
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:58 PM   #3
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I generally agree with Jim on this: there might not be much point in exploring the alternatives which Reace has presumably already considered.

If this is of interest, a next step might be to understand what product is being considered. Fiamma has a much narrower range of awning products than Dometic, but they do have one (F45eagle) which is essentially the same as the Dometic 9500 chosen by Escape - I see no point in considering that, as it would have the same concerns (and advantages) over other types as the Dometic equivalent.

All of the description and technical information needed (including the height of the mounting space required) is available from the Fiamma Wall Winch Awnings site (ignoring the F45eagle and VW-specific products).

Having read through the manual for one of these Fiamma awnings, it appears to be essentially the same as the Dometic 9500, but with arms which are not strong enough to hold the awning up while extended, so support legs must be used every time. I don't see an advantage over the Dometic with the optional legs (except that the feet of the Fiamma legs can sit in brackets on the RV or on the ground, while the Dometic ones only go to the ground), and I would certainly prefer the option of not having to deal with legs.
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No I don't, but what's wrong with wondering about things and asking questions. Or are we not allowed to do that on this forum? Especially if it goes against any decisions made by ETI?

And I'm really curious why the person that asked about it earlier really wanted it.
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Old 04-14-2016, 04:44 PM   #5
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We had the Fiamma 45 awning on our Casita, and to me, it looks very similar to the Dometic awning they chose to go with, other than it's completely different. It worked very well. The legs aren't what I call robust, but staked down, they were stable. We had some pretty gusty winds come up and it handled it well. It also could be angled to easily shed water.

I think Jim, that there might be some people wanting to find out if it would be a suitable substitute to the Dometic IF Escape will allow the trailer to be sold without their awning. I guess until Reace says it's not going to happen, people will be curious.

Heck, look at the "Wiring" thread and people sharing their disappointment with the way their wiring was done. Reace chimed in and not only apologized, but showed how much better things are done now. I think there is some merit to voicing reservations, not only for other people's consideration but also so Escape gets feedback pro or con. They can use that information however they choose.

I know I may be stating what other people already have, but I wonder what benefit there is to the "I'm sure Escape thought it out, so it's good enough for all of us" sentiment.

The forum is filled with topics of customization's and modifications, heaven knows I've added to those. So it kinda seems natural for people who might want to change up the awning if they aren't thrilled with the research they done on them.

That being said, have I mentioned I'm glad to be getting the "Classic" 5.0TA?
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No I don't, but what's wrong with wondering about things and asking questions. Or are we not allowed to do that on this forum? Especially if it goes against any decisions made by ETI?

And I'm really curious why the person that asked about it earlier really wanted it.
Questions are fine. Here's mine.

Why do you wish to rehash something that has already been discussed?

Even though my opinion differs from yours, does it make it less valid?

I really don't understand why you (and a few others) do not wish to accept decisions made by Escape, yet seem interested in buying their product.
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Old 04-14-2016, 05:00 PM   #7
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Thanks for putting this in a separate thread.

#1 and #3. I might have been the person that first mentioned the Fiamma, but I wasn't the person that first questioned the Dometic. It came to mind because I have had a lot of contact with the Overlanding crowd. It's the gold standard for awnings in that world. I haven't seen any negative feedback.

Here's an example of a thread on expedition portal comparing it to others:

Fiamma feedback - Expedition Portal

If you do a search on that site for "Fiamma" you will come up with at least 70 different threads.

Other than being field-tested by the many overlanders using it, the built-in supports that can be attached to brackets on the side of the trailer are appealing. This offers the advantage of a large angle adjustment. When you need an awning for sun protection, you really need that angle adjustment as it becomes pretty useless in the afternoon when the sun gets low without being adjustable.

Overlanders are usually concerned about weight and the Fiamma is lighter.

It's half the price of the Dometic.

It is often staked out with ropes if you expect moderate winds (but should still be taken down when you leave or expect strong winds).

It's manual but is quick to put up and take down. I've seen 30-seconds mentioned. There's a video out there somewhere.

#2. It's a case-design, and the one that would fit the 19' Escape is 6" narrower than the Dometic, so I'm thinking yes, but don't know for sure. That is a key question obviously.

#4. YES, but it depends on how much wind you are talking about. Staked out, it will be like one of those camping awning rooms which are sturdy but will not survive 60MPH winds.

#5. Yes. See #1 and #3.

I see there are some responses to some of us questioning the awning choice made by Escape. Not a huge deal either way to me as I've said before, but if a choice is available I'll go with the Fiamma.
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Questions are fine. Here's mine.

Why do you wish to rehash something that has already been discussed?
Because as customers it is very helpful to ask questions. I for one have learned much from others question and highly value them.
Even though my opinion differs from yours, does it make it less valid?
Yes and No but that is my opinion. But I think it is best to let each individual form their own opinion.
I really don't understand why you (and a few others) do not wish to accept decisions made by Escape, yet seem interested in buying their product.
Because we all have are own way of living and camping and spending are hard earned dollors, whats right for you may not be right for me.
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Old 04-14-2016, 06:23 PM   #10
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Our Scamp had some model of Flamma awning and we both hated it. The flimsy legs had to fold perfectly back into the case, the case sometimes didn't want to close up correctly, and it seemed to have too many things to go wrong with it. We ended up using it so infrequently that we had to get the manual out if we did try to use it.

One of my very favorite things about our 17 has been the simplicity of the awning which has allowed us to use it very often.

Now I am looking forward to an even simpler one when we get our 2017 21'.

Edit -- the Scamp awning that we hated was a Catalina. Sorry aging brain....
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