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Old 09-12-2016, 11:25 AM   #41
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I had the pads in my 19, only good with hook ups. With the foam and heat inside the 21 I have never had any issue without the pads.. If it is that cold where you need the tape, you will not be able to dump anywhere, so I'd only go with the foam. That is what I'm doing with Prairie Schooner.
Well I was curious about this….

and my wife and I have always wanted to winter camp in Colorado, so after a few phone calls, I found the Montrose CO KOA - 63 miles from Gunnison

They are open year round…. I just spoke with a nice lady named Jan there.

It DOES sometimes go down to 20 F during the days, and colder at night, for many days in a row….

and they DO keep some sites with sewer dumps and full hookups open all year.

They installed heat tape on the fresh water supply pipes underground to those sites.

She specifically recommended having heat pads on our tanks, and having heat tape on the grey + black outlets.

So it IS possible to winter camp, and have the need for heat pads and tape, in some situations, no?



Update - found another one - same town - in Montrose CO (so same weather as listed just above)
Cedar Creek RV Park
yes open year round
yes full hook up + sewer dumps open year round
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Old 09-12-2016, 11:35 AM   #42
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You can find at least one KOA per state open in the winter and 3 years ago we were in one in W. Va for Super Bowl weekend, it got down to 5 degrees. We had heated water supply at the post and I have a heated supply hose to use when the temperatures are that cold. I had no issue dumping at these temperatures. The comment about heat pads is universal and not Escape specific. Your black tank is inside and you are not using your fresh tank. The grey tank, used for sink waste is covered by foam. The cg had showers so we only had the black tank to empty as there was little grey waste. With the interior black tank there was no problem emptying without using tape, nor pads, just the foam and leaving the heat on inside both of which kept the black tank above freezing.
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Old 09-12-2016, 11:40 AM   #43
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Winter camping in very cold weather with an Escape can be challenging, even with thermal windows, extra insulation, and spray foam on the underside of the trailer. Bring lots of propane, as your furnace is going to be running all of the time. Bring electric space heaters if you have services, but don't expect the electric to be enough by itself to keep you warm. Bring lots of blankets or cold weather sleeping bags. Be prepared to have lots of issues with condensation inside your Escape. I would winterize before I used the trailer in cold weather, and keep all fluids outside of the tanks and plumbing systems in your Escape. Use campground facilities! Sure beats having a mound of frozen material in your black tank that must stay there until weather warms up in the spring. Enjoy.


Coming from a cold climate (where we have real winters), I personally park my trailer in the fall and look forward to using it again when weather warms up in the spring.
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Old 09-12-2016, 12:48 PM   #44
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Not sure why you'd want to camp in the Montrose/Gunnison area in the winter months. I used to fly in and out of those and overnight, also have fished and camped in that area and the cold months can be brutal. Yes, you could probably do it and survive if you don't use any water or tanks, because it will go down below zero for weeks at a time and heat pads and foam aren't going to help that situation.
The bigger issue is driving in and out of that area in the cold months can be very dangerous. No real good way to get there in winter safely if one of the CO storms hits and the weather can change there in 15 minutes.
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Not sure why you'd want to camp in the Montrose/Gunnison area in the winter months. I used to fly in and out of those and overnight, also have fished and camped in that area and the cold months can be brutal. Yes, you could probably do it and survive if you don't use any water or tanks, because it will go down below zero for weeks at a time and heat pads and foam aren't going to help that situation.
The bigger issue is driving in and out of that area in the cold months can be very dangerous. No real good way to get there in winter safely if one of the CO storms hits and the weather can change there in 15 minutes.
yeah, ok, but are there any downsides to winter camping there?



Points well taken.

I have a relative that lives near there, and was thinking of a Thanksgiving trip some year, and being somewhat prepared....

maybe I should think more about Utah / California mountains for snow camping?
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Here's a quote from another forum of their experience driving to Montrose/Gunnison at Thanksgiving time:
"One of my all-time worst winter driving experiences occurred years ago on Monarch Pass. Jackknifed semi's everywhere, drifting and blowing snow, numerous car accidents, over 4"-6" inches of snow on the road in places (with so many accidents and stuck semi's, the plows couldn't even work efficiently)--it all added up to misery. I got through unscathed, but a trip from Denver to Gunnison that normally took 3 1/2 hours took 13 1/2 hours that day. Oh, and it was the Sunday after Thanksgiving--one of those in that 4-year string of winter storms on the Sunday after Thanksgiving"

That's a good example of CO winter driving in the mountains, sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you.
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winter, ugg

That is why we live in AZ, no more studded tires every October, no more chains when the snow was deeper.
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Old 09-12-2016, 03:38 PM   #48
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My son is planning some winter snowboard trips to Keystone, Breckinridge and Vail where he will take the 5.0 TA along and just sleep in it. Mostly three and four day trips over the weekend. Probably won't use the fresh water system and will put lots of RV antifreeze in the grey and black tanks. This winter he will be scouting possible places to park it for boon docking. He has some Vail passes on his season ticket but driving the extra distance to Vail and staying there overnight is very expensive.

We plan to work together to insulate the bottom of the trailer; not planning to use heat tape.
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Old 09-12-2016, 05:54 PM   #49
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I lived in Gunnison for 8 years. In January I saw as low as -48F. In December, -20F is common. Pretty brutal. It's actually warmer if you gain some elevation. Inversions form at night with all the cold are pooling in the valley floor. All the wide, flat valleys in the west are that way.

Grand Junction or Montrose should be OK if you avoid December, January, and the first half of February.

We have a simple rule for winter camping, which is it must have predicted lows above 15F. Colder than that isn't very pleasant when you open the door in the morning to take the dogs out! This requirement does limit the season somewhat, but there are lots of places that rarely get below that even in January.
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Maintenance under trailer

I just placed my order for a 17B and now the options journey begins. I am thinking of adding the foam under the trailer - have learned from reading posts that the tank level sensors should be replaced with the Horst sensors - wondering what other possible maintenance problems would arise requiring removal of foam. Have you experienced problems requiring removal of the foam and how did it go? Second time around would you still choose to add the foam?
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