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Old 04-22-2014, 09:03 AM   #21
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Donna,
You maybe confusing tow capacity versus carrying capacity. They are called "1/2" ton
trucks for a reason, they were originally designed to carry 1000 lbs. My Ram hemi can pull close to 12,000 pounds, but it can only carry about 1/10 of that amount. Check your specs, with a heavy pin weight, 4 passengers, fuel, you maybe also approaching the limit.
I understand. I don't think I've ever had four people in my truck at one time. I'm a single traveler, so that means more weight available for "beverages"
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Simson's Trailer Weights in the Real World has three Escape 5.0 (SA) listed. Pin weights are 680, 720, and 780 pounds.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:27 AM   #23
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Simson's Trailer Weights in the Real World has three Escape 5.0 (SA) listed. Pin weights are 680, 720, and 780 pounds.
Hi: onetim... I think we were the heaviest probably due in part to the memory foam mattress and loading 0 gravity chairs on the bed. I'm hoping the dual axle may redistribute some of the weights...but I could be dreaming too!!!Alf
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:30 AM   #24
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Is there an idea weight percentage to be put on the hitch? I know a bumper pull is 8-13%, give or take, but what is it for a 5.0?

Alf, it might be time to buy that scooter to mount on the rear.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:35 AM   #25
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Well, After much debate,

We have decided to forgo our July 21' production date. Instead we will wait till 2015 and get the 5.0 TA!!!!!!!!!!!!1

"Family Affair" Yes I like Sly and the Family Stone, is going to be used by me and my wife, and for as many trips as she can handle, Mom, who started me camping herself.

The layout just seemed to be a better fit for it all, and I am really interested in the 5th wheel hitch setup for stability, ease of connection, and turning ability. So our wait will be longer, but I feel in the long run it will be worth it.

Now, some questions on Hitches and weights.

1. It seems that with the pin weight, weight of hitch itself, and us, we are getting close to the payload of my Toyota Tundra....Seems wierd, but maybe I am miscalculating.

2. with the rails in the bed, does anyone find them annoying if you are a carpenter? I was just going to build a little platform over them

3. The above could be mitigated, by getting a Ford F250. Plenty of payload, towing, and the 5th wheel hitch rails are below the bed. You just hook in a nifty setup and you have your hitch

Thoughts? I love my Toyota Tundra and the reliability but the tow mirrors and those below bed rails for the hitch are appealing.

Donna D. and Alf, I will be asking you lots of questions.

Alf, you can have my site at the fall Escape rally...I wont have a rig.....

Thanks again

Don and Brenda
Hi: Don W... Thanks for the site. You could get lucky and snag a 2014 cancellation. Keep your fingers and toes crossed. Alf
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:42 AM   #26
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Is there an idea weight percentage to be put on the hitch? I know a bumper pull is 8-13%, give or take, but what is it for a 5.0?

Alf, it might be time to buy that scooter to mount on the rear.
Hi: Jim Bennett... 15-25% No scooter for me. Pedal bike? I need the exercise!!! Alf
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:12 AM   #27
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Simson's Trailer Weights in the Real World has three Escape 5.0 (SA) listed. Pin weights are 680, 720, and 780 pounds.
Ours was the 720 pound pin weight:

We went to a 3 weight scale and got 2 weights..one with the tow and trailer and one with just the tow vehicle.
All 3 tanks were empty as was the hot water heater. No food or clothes in the trailer. We estimate maybe 100 lbs of gear in the trailer (including a microwave & the screen room)

The weights were as follows:
Trailer Axle: 2620
Pin Weight: 720
Total Trailer Weight: 3340
Frontier Total Weight (w/o trailer or people): 4860

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Old 04-22-2014, 06:09 PM   #28
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2. with the rails in the bed, does anyone find them annoying if you are a carpenter? I was just going to build a little platform over them
There are two solutions for this:
  1. As already mentioned, mats, plywood sheets, lumber, or whatever can be used to build up the rest of the area at least flush with the rails.
  2. One of the other fifth-wheel hitch mounting systems can be used, such as the Reese "puck" system (also supported by B&W), or the ones which sit in the box and anchor to an in-floor ball mount (B&W Turnover ball, or the Andersen system).
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1. It seems that with the pin weight, weight of hitch itself, and us, we are getting close to the payload of my Toyota Tundra....Seems wierd, but maybe I am miscalculating
Not likely an error (and Don's later post confirms this) - this is a commonly reported problem from people who actually look at the truck GVWR or payload rating (others are blissfully ignorant).

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I would talk to your dealer, and see if a factory tow package adds and capacity as well, I know with Ford it does.
Tow packages are usually focused on the drivetrain, so they add only to GCWR, not to GVWR. Sometimes they include rear suspension enhancements, but that would typically add only to Rear GAWR, and the GVWR of current trucks is typically not limited by the axle capacities... Ford may be an exception, but I have not waded through the current F-150 configuration data to check.
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:30 PM   #30
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On the Fords F-150, adding the Heavy Duty Payload Package with the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 (and their other engines too) increases the payload, towing capacity and the GVWR substantially. That is, unless my reading skills are slipping, this aging thing does do strange things.

http://www.ford.ca/trucks/f150/specifications/

Here is a link for the old fashioned number system.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/
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