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04-23-2014, 01:17 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Clovis, California
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Just may need to upgrade to the right truck for enough power.
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04-23-2014, 05:07 PM
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#42
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Emerson, Manitoba
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0TA, 2022 F150 2.7EB
Posts: 1,848
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Originally Posted by Brian B-P
... and Donna says her 4X4 XLT SuperCab 6.5' box (145" wheelbase) F-150 has a 7200 pound GVWR, so it does not have the high-payload package, and thus according to Ford specs has 1660 pounds of payload capacity... not so wildly different from the Toyota.
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Just checked my new to me yesterday 2010 F150 4x2 Supercab and the yellow sticker says combined weight occupants and cargo not to exceed 693 kg or 1528 lbs.
Adrian
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04-23-2014, 06:33 PM
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#43
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarksAlot
Just may need to upgrade to the right truck for enough power.
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What do you think, Donna... it's a Ford!
I suppose you wouldn't need that satellite TV "dish" on the roof... and if you're traveling solo it has about seven extra seats. But is has a tonneau cover!
Ironically, these trucks don't have any more power than the regular production items, unless the engine is custom as well. An F-650 comes with old Ford V-10 (like my motorhome) or the Cummins-branded version of the same 6.7L turbodiesel as a Ram 2500/3500 pickup.
Too bad the guys who make these Frankenstein rigs often don't bother to make rear fenders to actually fit the truck... it looks much better (and of course still wildly excessive for any Escape) when they do.
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04-23-2014, 06:48 PM
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#44
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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I can't see the truck for the fuel tanks.
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04-23-2014, 07:33 PM
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#45
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0TA / 2016 Ram Eco Diesel 4X4
Posts: 8,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emers382
Just checked my new to me yesterday 2010 F150 4x2 Supercab and the yellow sticker says combined weight occupants and cargo not to exceed 693 kg or 1528 lbs.
Adrian
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Hi: emers382...Would you like me to include a case of slim fast in the "Camping package" too!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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04-23-2014, 07:35 PM
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#46
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Trailer: 2016 21' sold, current class C, Now looking
Posts: 150
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Now that truck is funny. I am really happy for Donna D. she has the right truck for her. Being a solo traveler she is fine.
For us, between me, mom, wife, dog, and a few extra tools, and other things, we are getting close to the max load, no matter what camper we chose from ETI.
So I am thinking the F250 mainly because it has the "below Bed rails" for the 5th and I will not have to worry about payload.
The F150 with all the HD and towing package would do, but then I would have the rails in the bed all the time.
Plus, the F250 will allow me to haul that portable saw mill I want.....
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04-23-2014, 08:07 PM
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#47
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
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You do take a hit in the mpg department when moving up to a 250 or 350 unless you go diesel. The ride is also harder then the regular F150, the HD being somewhere between the 2.
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04-23-2014, 09:11 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 19' & 2013 15B
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The 250's and 350's models are definitely more than is absolutely required for towing an Escape.
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04-23-2014, 09:26 PM
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#49
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,532
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ice-breaker
The 250's and 350's models are definitely more than is absolutely required for towing an Escape.
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Both trucks with purpose. I love my 350 diesel for work. BUT, no way would I want it to be my tow for a 5.0 where I would be using it every time I went out.
Just realized a big benefit for a bumper tow. I guess I knew it, but it hadn't clicked. You are not dedicated to a set tow vehicle, or at least a narrow range. Right now I can use my Pilot, or F-350, or just about anybody else's adequately sized vehicle for a tow.
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04-23-2014, 09:42 PM
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#50
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Clovis, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19
Posts: 328
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
Both trucks with purpose. I love my 350 diesel for work. BUT, no way would I want it to be my tow for a 5.0 where I would be using it every time I went out.
Just realized a big benefit for a bumper tow. I guess I knew it, but it hadn't clicked. You are not dedicated to a set tow vehicle, or at least a narrow range. Right now I can use my Pilot, or F-350, or just about anybody else's adequately sized vehicle for a tow.
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That big Ford truck is just cool. Maybe it's the flames. Had that pic for a while. Probably from a car/truck show. Gotta love it. MPG is a very important factor too.
With the 5th wheel, the hitch weight is over the rear axle, rather than the bumper area, allowing you to pull more weight. I came sooooo close to getting a 5.0, but like the layout and versatility of the 19.
All of Escapes RVs are well built and a great choice. The TV depends on so many factors, it's better to have a little extra power, but a PU with a V6 like a Frontier, or a small V8 like my Dodge Dakota will pull anything Escape makes. That's the big benefit with a fiberglass trailer. Plus they're cool.
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04-23-2014, 10:06 PM
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#51
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Don W.
So I am thinking the F250 mainly because it has the "below Bed rails" for the 5th ...
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You can also use just a wide range of pickups for which the same Reese "Power Puck" system is available aftermarket - including F-150 and Sierra 1500. You can also use the B&W Companion or similar systems. I like the idea of a factory-installed hitch, but I wouldn't want to resort to a Super Duty truck towing a lightweight trailer just to get that.
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Originally Posted by MarksAlot
That big Ford truck is just cool. Maybe it's the flames. Had that pic for a while. Probably from a car/truck show. Gotta love it.
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Check out Home | F650 Supertrucks if you find those rigs interesting.
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04-23-2014, 10:40 PM
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#52
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Commercial Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: All Escape(s)
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I have a 2013 F150 4x4 crew cab with Ecoboost. On the door...max capacity is 1600 lbs. This is with a full tank of fuel.
The standard fifth wheel hitch is approximately 75 lbs.
With the family in the truck and a few extras...800 lbs.
That leaves 725 lbs for pin weight. Much more if we leave the kids at home!
Reace
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04-24-2014, 12:14 AM
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#53
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Clovis, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19
Posts: 328
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
You can also use just a wide range of pickups for which the same Reese "Power Puck" system is available aftermarket - including F-150 and Sierra 1500. You can also use the B&W Companion or similar systems. I like the idea of a factory-installed hitch, but I wouldn't want to resort to a Super Duty truck towing a lightweight trailer just to get that.
Check out Home | F650 Supertrucks if you find those rigs interesting.
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Cool! I want the F650 Extreme. It's only $150k. I'd sell my house and cars and then could buy one........ and live in it. lol
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04-24-2014, 08:01 AM
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#54
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Emerson, Manitoba
Trailer: 2016 Escape 5.0TA, 2022 F150 2.7EB
Posts: 1,848
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Quote:
Originally Posted by escape artist
Hi: emers382...Would you like me to include a case of slim fast in the "Camping package" too!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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Hey Alf, no need since Rease just said a standard fifth wheel is 75 lbs (somewhere else here I read 150 lbs) guess we'll be alright unless we take all four of the grandkids but that's not likely despite the fact we just bought a six seater.
Adrian
soon a 2007 5.0
2010 F150
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04-24-2014, 09:04 AM
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#55
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Trailer: none
Posts: 737
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emers382
Hey Alf, no need since Rease just said a standard fifth wheel is 75 lbs (somewhere else here I read 150 lbs) guess we'll be alright unless we take all four of the grandkids but that's not likely despite the fact we just bought a six seater.
Adrian
soon a 2007 5.0
2010 F150
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Our B&W Patriot hitch weighs 114 pounds plus the weight of the rails....but it might weigh more than the standard hitch because it can be adjusted into 3 positions....don't know.
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04-24-2014, 07:11 PM
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#56
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
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The lowest capacity (but still much more than the Escape 5.0 needs) and presumably lightest series of Reese hitch - presumably the one Reace installs - is the 15K / 16K Fifth Wheel. The basic version has a shipping weight of 97 pounds... plus the 63 pound rail-and-bracket kit. The premium version is 98 pounds (strange, since the features over the basic include cast parts and a heavier jaw mechanism)... again plus the 63 pound rail-and-bracket kit.
A slider adds another 62 pounds to a hitch in this series, if you choose to use one.
It looks like a Reese (or similar) fifth-wheel hitch adds over 150 pounds to the truck, even without a slider.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FMLNM
Our B&W Patriot hitch weighs 114 pounds plus the weight of the rails....but it might weigh more than the standard hitch because it can be adjusted into 3 positions....don't know.
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Good point, but most hitches are height-adjustable; the Reese 16K has four height settings. The extra weight in the Patriot might be due to the hardware to anchor to the ball socket.
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04-25-2014, 06:34 AM
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#57
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Trailer: 2016 21' sold, current class C, Now looking
Posts: 150
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Hmmm after this discussion. I am also looking into an F150 with all the payload options and the after market puck system Reese makes for it so rails are not in the bed.
Thanks Reece for posting. I will wait and watch the pimp weight range as the first few come to completion. That after all is the big factor.
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04-25-2014, 10:10 AM
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#58
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Trailer: 2016 21' sold, current class C, Now looking
Posts: 150
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Um, that is Pin Weight. That is what I get for trying to type on a tablet with my fat fingers, sorry folks.
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04-25-2014, 10:17 AM
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#59
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho
Trailer: 2013 19' Escape
Posts: 147
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Dealers locally were quoting me $2500 + for a slider and $1000 +/- for a basic hitch...installed. Couldn't believe the difference.
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04-25-2014, 08:35 PM
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#60
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lefttee
Dealers locally were quoting me $2500 + for a slider and $1000 +/- for a basic hitch...installed. Couldn't believe the difference.
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Interesting, since the difference between the Reese hitch which ETI installs and a slider version of the same hitch is a roughly $400 component (see eTrailer examples).
Perhaps the $1500 difference from these dealers results from changing from a basic fifth-wheel to more sophisticated design, such as a PullRite SuperGlide... but then, even at regular Camping World prices that's only a $1300 hitch (less than $1000 premium over a non-sliding hitch). The automatic hitches such as a SuperGlide do need extra hardware on the pin box, perhaps accounting for some more of the difference; you don't need that with a manual slider.
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