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Old 04-23-2014, 01:17 PM   #41
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Just may need to upgrade to the right truck for enough power.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:07 PM   #42
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... and Donna says her 4X4 XLT SuperCab 6.5' box (145" wheelbase) F-150 has a 7200 pound GVWR, so it does not have the high-payload package, and thus according to Ford specs has 1660 pounds of payload capacity... not so wildly different from the Toyota.
Just checked my new to me yesterday 2010 F150 4x2 Supercab and the yellow sticker says combined weight occupants and cargo not to exceed 693 kg or 1528 lbs.

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Old 04-23-2014, 06:33 PM   #43
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Just may need to upgrade to the right truck for enough power.

What do you think, Donna... it's a Ford!
I suppose you wouldn't need that satellite TV "dish" on the roof... and if you're traveling solo it has about seven extra seats. But is has a tonneau cover!

Ironically, these trucks don't have any more power than the regular production items, unless the engine is custom as well. An F-650 comes with old Ford V-10 (like my motorhome) or the Cummins-branded version of the same 6.7L turbodiesel as a Ram 2500/3500 pickup.

Too bad the guys who make these Frankenstein rigs often don't bother to make rear fenders to actually fit the truck... it looks much better (and of course still wildly excessive for any Escape) when they do.
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I can't see the truck for the fuel tanks.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:33 PM   #45
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Just checked my new to me yesterday 2010 F150 4x2 Supercab and the yellow sticker says combined weight occupants and cargo not to exceed 693 kg or 1528 lbs.

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Old 04-23-2014, 07:35 PM   #46
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Now that truck is funny. I am really happy for Donna D. she has the right truck for her. Being a solo traveler she is fine.

For us, between me, mom, wife, dog, and a few extra tools, and other things, we are getting close to the max load, no matter what camper we chose from ETI.

So I am thinking the F250 mainly because it has the "below Bed rails" for the 5th and I will not have to worry about payload.

The F150 with all the HD and towing package would do, but then I would have the rails in the bed all the time.

Plus, the F250 will allow me to haul that portable saw mill I want.....
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You do take a hit in the mpg department when moving up to a 250 or 350 unless you go diesel. The ride is also harder then the regular F150, the HD being somewhere between the 2.
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The 250's and 350's models are definitely more than is absolutely required for towing an Escape.
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:26 PM   #49
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The 250's and 350's models are definitely more than is absolutely required for towing an Escape.
Both trucks with purpose. I love my 350 diesel for work. BUT, no way would I want it to be my tow for a 5.0 where I would be using it every time I went out.

Just realized a big benefit for a bumper tow. I guess I knew it, but it hadn't clicked. You are not dedicated to a set tow vehicle, or at least a narrow range. Right now I can use my Pilot, or F-350, or just about anybody else's adequately sized vehicle for a tow.
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:42 PM   #50
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Both trucks with purpose. I love my 350 diesel for work. BUT, no way would I want it to be my tow for a 5.0 where I would be using it every time I went out.

Just realized a big benefit for a bumper tow. I guess I knew it, but it hadn't clicked. You are not dedicated to a set tow vehicle, or at least a narrow range. Right now I can use my Pilot, or F-350, or just about anybody else's adequately sized vehicle for a tow.


That big Ford truck is just cool. Maybe it's the flames. Had that pic for a while. Probably from a car/truck show. Gotta love it. MPG is a very important factor too.

With the 5th wheel, the hitch weight is over the rear axle, rather than the bumper area, allowing you to pull more weight. I came sooooo close to getting a 5.0, but like the layout and versatility of the 19.

All of Escapes RVs are well built and a great choice. The TV depends on so many factors, it's better to have a little extra power, but a PU with a V6 like a Frontier, or a small V8 like my Dodge Dakota will pull anything Escape makes. That's the big benefit with a fiberglass trailer. Plus they're cool.
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:06 PM   #51
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So I am thinking the F250 mainly because it has the "below Bed rails" for the 5th ...
You can also use just a wide range of pickups for which the same Reese "Power Puck" system is available aftermarket - including F-150 and Sierra 1500. You can also use the B&W Companion or similar systems. I like the idea of a factory-installed hitch, but I wouldn't want to resort to a Super Duty truck towing a lightweight trailer just to get that.

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That big Ford truck is just cool. Maybe it's the flames. Had that pic for a while. Probably from a car/truck show. Gotta love it.
Check out Home | F650 Supertrucks if you find those rigs interesting.
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:40 PM   #52
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I have a 2013 F150 4x4 crew cab with Ecoboost. On the door...max capacity is 1600 lbs. This is with a full tank of fuel.

The standard fifth wheel hitch is approximately 75 lbs.

With the family in the truck and a few extras...800 lbs.

That leaves 725 lbs for pin weight. Much more if we leave the kids at home!


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Old 04-24-2014, 12:14 AM   #53
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You can also use just a wide range of pickups for which the same Reese "Power Puck" system is available aftermarket - including F-150 and Sierra 1500. You can also use the B&W Companion or similar systems. I like the idea of a factory-installed hitch, but I wouldn't want to resort to a Super Duty truck towing a lightweight trailer just to get that.


Check out Home | F650 Supertrucks if you find those rigs interesting.

Cool! I want the F650 Extreme. It's only $150k. I'd sell my house and cars and then could buy one........ and live in it. lol
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Old 04-24-2014, 08:01 AM   #54
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Hey Alf, no need since Rease just said a standard fifth wheel is 75 lbs (somewhere else here I read 150 lbs) guess we'll be alright unless we take all four of the grandkids but that's not likely despite the fact we just bought a six seater.

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Hey Alf, no need since Rease just said a standard fifth wheel is 75 lbs (somewhere else here I read 150 lbs) guess we'll be alright unless we take all four of the grandkids but that's not likely despite the fact we just bought a six seater.

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Our B&W Patriot hitch weighs 114 pounds plus the weight of the rails....but it might weigh more than the standard hitch because it can be adjusted into 3 positions....don't know.
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Old 04-24-2014, 07:11 PM   #56
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The lowest capacity (but still much more than the Escape 5.0 needs) and presumably lightest series of Reese hitch - presumably the one Reace installs - is the 15K / 16K Fifth Wheel. The basic version has a shipping weight of 97 pounds... plus the 63 pound rail-and-bracket kit. The premium version is 98 pounds (strange, since the features over the basic include cast parts and a heavier jaw mechanism)... again plus the 63 pound rail-and-bracket kit.

A slider adds another 62 pounds to a hitch in this series, if you choose to use one.

It looks like a Reese (or similar) fifth-wheel hitch adds over 150 pounds to the truck, even without a slider.

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Our B&W Patriot hitch weighs 114 pounds plus the weight of the rails....but it might weigh more than the standard hitch because it can be adjusted into 3 positions....don't know.
Good point, but most hitches are height-adjustable; the Reese 16K has four height settings. The extra weight in the Patriot might be due to the hardware to anchor to the ball socket.
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Hmmm after this discussion. I am also looking into an F150 with all the payload options and the after market puck system Reese makes for it so rails are not in the bed.

Thanks Reece for posting. I will wait and watch the pimp weight range as the first few come to completion. That after all is the big factor.
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Um, that is Pin Weight. That is what I get for trying to type on a tablet with my fat fingers, sorry folks.
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Dealers locally were quoting me $2500 + for a slider and $1000 +/- for a basic hitch...installed. Couldn't believe the difference.
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Dealers locally were quoting me $2500 + for a slider and $1000 +/- for a basic hitch...installed. Couldn't believe the difference.
Interesting, since the difference between the Reese hitch which ETI installs and a slider version of the same hitch is a roughly $400 component (see eTrailer examples).

Perhaps the $1500 difference from these dealers results from changing from a basic fifth-wheel to more sophisticated design, such as a PullRite SuperGlide... but then, even at regular Camping World prices that's only a $1300 hitch (less than $1000 premium over a non-sliding hitch). The automatic hitches such as a SuperGlide do need extra hardware on the pin box, perhaps accounting for some more of the difference; you don't need that with a manual slider.
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