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Old 02-22-2014, 10:03 AM   #21
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With the E-Z winterizing you can still use compressed air, BUT, you also have the option to use antifreeze which makes the toilet/bathroom useable in the winter by flushing with rv antifreeze.
The foot toilet I considered, but I find as I get older, standing on one foot trying to operate machinery gets harder, plus children seem to like to play with pedals. I stayed with the hand lever, thinking you have to wash your hands either way of operation.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:19 AM   #22
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so what procedure do you use in the winter to use the easy fill? when you flush does the system draw from the gallon of antifreeze? is the fresh water tank system and lines isolated from the antifreeze? i need to be schooled here.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:29 AM   #23
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If you decide to winterize with antifreeze you bypass your water heater and hook up a gallon of antifreeze to the E-Z location, turn on your pump. You then go around and open each faucet until pink stuff flows thru and the same for the toilet. This will fill all your lines with the antifreeze. You can then use your toilet, flush the same as you would if hooked up to water, the pump will pull more antifreeze each flush, keeping your lines full. More expensive than water but it beats going outside when it is freezing to use the facilities. Also the antifreeze in your waste tank will help.
Note, you are also getting 12v heat pads on your tanks, these can only be used while hooked up to 120v, they will suck your battery dry very quickly. I had them on my 19' but opted out and ordered the foam spray without the heat pads because if I have 120V available then my tanks will be kept warm by my heat inside or by the antifreeze.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:53 AM   #24
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jim, can you pour antifreeze out of the jug to flush or does it have to go through the system?
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:31 AM   #25
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either way works
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:45 AM   #26
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Everyone has to decide what works best for them, but I'm going to avoid antifreeze in the waterlines at all costs. Yearly antifreeze in my Scamp has permanently changed the waterlines. There's nothing I can do to get that perfuming taste out, other than replacing the lines. It's fine for now, old lines, old water tank and only the use the water for washing up and flushing. Cooking, teeth and face get jug water. Carrying jugs of fresh water is something I'm trying to avoid with my new 5er. And if ten years of using antifreeze in the waterlines make the 5er lines as funky as the ones in my Scamp... I'm gonna be really mad at myself. Besides air is free and I can winterize, dewinterize, as often as I wish during winter camping. YMMV
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:49 AM   #27
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donna, thats what reace tried to impress on me. he thought down the line i would not like the pink stuff in the lines.
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:51 AM   #28
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cpaharley2008, I notice that Blackjack does not have the optional front window. We're interested in the pros and cons of that option on the 21'.
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:55 AM   #29
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At the end of winter, I can purchase RV antifreeze for less than $3 a gallon. Plenty cheap to use during winter camping to flush. And, if I have to carry jug water while camping.. that will only be during the coldest winter camping. I think...
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i am having trouble deciding on the foot operated toelet. any thoughts? does it sit higher and is it easy to operate compared to the normal installed unit?
The dimensions on the foot and hand operated toilets are the same. The foot operated uses a foot (or hand operated) pedal in front to flush, the hand operated has a lever on the right side near the back.

I think it is strictly personal preference - we had a Casita with foot flush so were used to it. My brother's camper has the hand flush and it felt like I was putting my face in the toilet to flush it.
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