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Old 02-22-2014, 12:10 PM   #31
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I have never ingested the water in my fresh water tank for personal use other than perhaps brushing my teeth and then I avoid ingesting it. It's use is for the bathroom and kitchen. I always carry water for drinking and coffee and the dogs in a potable water container. That taste you get from the water lines Donna is a combination of the plastic chemicals and the water and you will always have that, regardless of antifreeze use. I would never purposely use water that sat outside in a container for more than a couple of days to avoid stagnation and that is what happens to your fresh and hot water tanks. This has happened in every trailer I have owned (7) in the past 6 years, the taste is there with or without antifreeze.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:14 PM   #32
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cpaharley2008, I notice that Blackjack does not have the optional front window. We're interested in the pros and cons of that option on the 21'.
After being surrounded by glass in the rear 19' I wanted a little more privacy and warmth from solid walls. Besides, I already know what is upfront. You will find that you have to leave the blinds up partially to avoid condensation on the rear and side windows, this allows the heat to circulate better against the glass.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:25 PM   #33
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That taste you get from the water lines Donna is a combination of the plastic chemicals and the water and you will always have that, regardless of antifreeze use.
Jim, I'm getting the EZ winterizing option, not for antifreeze but the future plan of using it to run bleach through the lines.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:41 PM   #34
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Be careful with bleach around your stainless, you may have a reaction. Good idea though, maybe try it myself to see if it improves the taste coming from those lines.
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Old 02-22-2014, 01:50 PM   #35
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When I talked to Reace about the 12V pads he indicated that he had a customer camp in weather down to, I believe, minus 12 C with out any freezing problems using just the foam insulation. I have camped in my 5.0 down to minus 6 C using just the foam without any problems; I just make sure that I have some antifreeze in the waste tanks, so the drain valves don't freeze, and use the water system normally.

One thing to remember is that undiluted antifreeze will freeze at a higher temperature than when it's diluted with water so your waste tanks are well protected; plus the bacteria in the tanks will warm them up a bit ...... take a look at the steam coming off of a manure pile in the middle of winter!

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Old 02-22-2014, 02:08 PM   #36
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Is it also possible to get an extra shelf over the 21 bed? I thought I saw that in a photo somewhere -- maybe Blackjack? Lindy and I both like to read in bed, and I like to solve chess problems on my iPad, so I like to have a shelf handy for glasses, iPad, etc. when I finally decide to roll over and go to sleep. Also, it seems like it would be an ideal place for a couple of extra 12 volt outlets for charging the iPad/iPhone.

Also, Burrab, you have an option called "mattress cover". Is that the hydro mesh stuff to prevent condensation?
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Old 02-22-2014, 02:11 PM   #37
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The shelf is standard if you do not get the window option, it runs the entire width of the bed approximately 6" deep and about 12" below the o/h. It is nice for personal items. I had a 12v installed overhead to plug in items also.
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Thanks much, Jim. That is exactly what I needed to know.
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I could not tell for sure, is the extra 12 volt outlet in the overhead shelving driver side front, I am speaking of the area over the permanent bed.
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Old 02-22-2014, 02:47 PM   #40
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Thanks for those photos, Jim. The shelf looks very useful. And I'm sure we'll quickly figure out how to "trailer away" the $300 the window would have cost.
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