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Old 08-29-2017, 04:20 PM   #1
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Ordering our 21...Down to the Details

Almost ready to finalize the build sheet for our Escape 21. Due October 5th. The major decisions have been painstakingly made; the flooring, fabric, Formica and a flush mount burner have all been ordered.

Now we're down to the details and they're turning out to be more time consuming and frustrating than the major stuff. Escape will not budge on doing some simple electrical changes.

1. We want a dual coax cable outlet for the TV; they will run the 2nd wire but not hook it up or put in a dual plate.
2. We want a 14-2 wire run to the kitchen so we can operate more than one electrical appliance at a time on that side of the trailer. (Our microwave is on that side.)
3. We want combo USB-110V outlets cover plates in several locations.

Now we can do all this ourselves after the fact, but it would be simpler for Escape to do it. We could order the plates and heavier wire from the building supply store and send it to them. Why are they making these simple changes so darned difficult?!

Has anyone else had these issues? And how did you deal with them? Thanks!
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:45 PM   #2
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Almost ready to finalize the build sheet for our Escape 21. Due October 5th. The major decisions have been painstakingly made; the flooring, fabric, Formica and a flush mount burner have all been ordered.

Now we're down to the details and they're turning out to be more time consuming and frustrating than the major stuff. Escape will not budge on doing some simple electrical changes.

1. We want a dual coax cable outlet for the TV; they will run the 2nd wire but not hook it up or put in a dual plate.
2. We want a 14-2 wire run to the kitchen so we can operate more than one electrical appliance at a time on that side of the trailer. (Our microwave is on that side.)
3. We want combo USB-110V outlets cover plates in several locations.

Now we can do all this ourselves after the fact, but it would be simpler for Escape to do it. We could order the plates and heavier wire from the building supply store and send it to them. Why are they making these simple changes so darned difficult?!

Has anyone else had these issues? And how did you deal with them? Thanks!
I don't consider these "issues". If you know the history of ETI you'll see that they have bent over backwards to allow folks to customize to the nth degree. Way, way more than any other manufacturer. Try ordering a Scamp with different upholstery or Formica.

I think you'll find that the general consensus of forum that purchasers still having the ability to make many changes is head and shoulders above what other manufactures allow.

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Old 08-29-2017, 04:48 PM   #3
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My guess is that ETI is trying to fill as many orders as possible as quickly as possible, and too many special requests will slow down the production line and delay others receiving their campers at their promised completion date. Just me guessing.
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:52 PM   #4
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I'm no electrician so maybe someone like Steve could pipe in here as to the difficulty of making these particular changes. But having been a part of a manufacturing process when I was working, I can say that making any change to a product is a big deal in production flow no matter how minor the change. Multiply that several times for each option for each trailer and it really slows production. I am constantly amazed at how many options ETI will offer to buyers. I know I wouldn't have the patience.
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Old 08-29-2017, 05:13 PM   #5
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2. We want a 14-2 wire run to the kitchen so we can operate more than one electrical appliance at a time on that side of the trailer. (Our microwave is on that side.)
3. We want combo USB-110V outlets cover plates in several locations.
I don't have a 19 but the microwave in mine has a separate circuit.
I have a socket by the sink and it has a GFI socket on it, I think that is electrical code here (meaning in British Columbia where they are built) I don't know if the two a/c receptacles can be separately fed or if there is just one connection.
I could easily rewire that socket, (it depends on your confidence doing that work) but without a split socket GFI it wouldn't be to code.
The only a/c with USB sockets that I have seen do not allow the two a/c receptacles to be separately fed, there is only one a/c connection into the back of them.

It seems to me that the universe is not aligned for these things unless you do it yourself but I am surprised the ETI wouldn't give you a separate circuit for the microwave.

Do any electricians here, with 19's, have solutions ?
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I have four plugs on that side of the trailer between the door and the dinette. You could have three in a 21. One under the counter extension, one in the center of the kitchen just below the counter and (for me) the third on the same side is just on the other side of the wall on the upper cabinet (I had ETI wire everything for a television there.) I think I could run enough electric appliances... until a fuse blew
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Old 08-29-2017, 05:45 PM   #7
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I don't have a 19 but the microwave in mine has a separate circuit.
I have a socket by the sink and it has a GFI socket on it, I think that is electrical code here (meaning in British Columbia where they are built) I don't know if the two a/c receptacles can be separately fed or if there is just one connection.
The sink receptacle is GFCI protected because of it's proximity to the sink. They kill two birds with one stone by also feeding the exterior outlet, downstream from it. The exterior outlet also requires GFCI protection.

In the OP's case a 14/3 wire would do what they want; give two separate circuits but the GFCI would make that less straight forward than it was in the old days when GFCI's weren't required.

Many of us have run all sorts of new wiring and cables from one end to the other. I'd just leave the existing situation in place and, as I have done with an inverter and new panel, add whatever new wiring flicks your switch, so to speak.

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Thanks, all.

Yes, I meant to write 14-3 wire to give 2 separate circuits.

We'll be able to rewire ourselves of course and put in USB outlets, but what is the difference in production to run a different wire especially if we'll supply it? ETI is going above and beyond to change things around for us.....flush mount burners, microwave where the oven is, no range hood, extra outlet, custom floor/fabric/Formica and so on. However, a heavier wire and some outlet covers supplied by us can't be done.

I totally agree that Escape is terrific at customizing their trailers and try very hard to satisfy their customers, but that IS how they advertise and and how they sell their product. In spite of these niggly last minute issues, we are very excited to get our 21 and hit the road!
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Hazel: You never answered back on the other thread. Still wondering how you plan to tow a 21 with a Highlander Hybrid rated at 3500 lbs. Others could provided more specifics, but you will be well over 4000 lbs with a fully loaded trailer. The 3210 lb dry weight listed on ETI's website is with tanks empty and before options. Don't want to see you caught with an inadequate and potentially unsafe tow vehicle.
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Hazel: You never answered back on the other thread. Still wondering how you plan to tow a 21 with a Highlander Hybrid rated at 3500 lbs. Others could provided more specifics, but you will be well over 4000 lbs with a fully loaded trailer. The 3210 lb dry weight listed on ETI's website is with tanks empty and before options. Don't want to see you caught with an inadequate and potentially unsafe tow vehicle.
For what it's worth, simply adding A/C, solar and two reinforced walls (plus a few other small options like extra lights and switches) had our 2017 21' tipping the scale at 3,620 lbs out the factory door - and that's before we started stocking it with our stuff. Perhaps as important, or more important, is the approximate 420 lb tongue weight (depending on how we load). That's 20% over a 350 lb tongue weight limit.
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