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Old 01-16-2016, 06:45 PM   #41
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Less clearance was mentioned, I believe.
Any chance of a photograph with step deployed?
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Old 01-16-2016, 06:56 PM   #42
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Standard versus Optional

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Standard options? And a price increase for all?
Laura said "standard features" (not "standard options"), but then got into features which would logically be optional. I agree that features which are not universally considered worth the extra cost should not be part of the standard... although sometimes having too many variations in equipment is just not practical to build.

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If an option is purchased on 80 or 90% of units sold , it makes sense to make the option standard and simplify the ordering and manufacturing process.
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The only problem with that is 10-20% of buyers would end up with features that they may not want, things like a/c. I like a la carte ordering and paying only for what you want.
Both arguments make sense to me.

What auto manufacturers have worked out is the idea of a "delete option": a feature is standard, and included in the standard price, but buyers who don't want it can specify deletion, usually for a credit (although the credit is less than the value of the feature). For instance, at one point a basic radio was a delete option in many vehicles; currently the cargo box is a delete option on some pickup trucks (so the pickup is the standard model, and the cheaper/less-equipped cab-and-chassis is an option).

With this "delete option" approach, people are discouraged from not taking these features so manufacturing is as consistent and efficient as possible, but no one is absolutely stuck with features they really don't want.

I believe that Escape already informally offers some delete options, typically appliances (such as the refrigerator). Earlier in this discussion, Lawrence has already suggested one:
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- toilet delete option

... largely specific to our use, of extended off-grid camping, so I don't see it as appropriate to make them standard (especially the last!).
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:01 PM   #43
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Automatic Power Levelers

I'm not about to tell anyone whether or not they need these. What I can offer is an observation about the automatic power leveling based on experience with the system in my motorhome...
Mine is a typical hydraulic system; Escape would presumably use electrically powered BAL C-Jacks instead, as they would fit in the trailer much better, but the control issue is the same.

I find that our automatic system jacks the RV up too much; it can run jacks individually (actually in pairs) only while extending- they all must retract together. It tends to overshoot, and needs to compensate by extending the other pair as well. After one instance on our first major trip, I tried manually controlling the power jacks, and I found that could get the RV level with much less lifting of the RV. Since most of the benefit of these systems is in eliminating the effort of cranking, I think a manually controlled power jack system would be more than sufficient, cheaper, simpler, and probably more effective.

The jacks currently on Escapes are intended as stabilizers - the owner is directed specifically not to lift any part of the trailer with these jacks, as it risks bending the trailer. To work as leveling jacks, I believe that either the frame would need to be stiffer between the jacks, or a pair of leveling jacks would be needed immediately behind the axle(s), with an additional stabilizing pair closer to the bumper (to keep from tilting rearward as people move inside). This is easier with motorhomes, that have two axles nearer the ends and jacks close to them, rather than axles in the middle and jacks on the ends. Oliver offers power leveling jacks; their jacks are just behind the axle.
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:03 PM   #44
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larger toilet option (not round bowl)
I agree. Without unnecessarily getting into anatomical details, an elongated bowl would be desirable for some owners. While this can be changed by the owner, it is annoying to pay for something that will just be removed and discarded, so a factory option would be better.
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:07 PM   #45
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The deeper the sink, the less storage in the cupboard under it.
Yes, a good example of how every design decision is a trade-off. People have different priorities, and thus there is no single correct compromise.

I assume that "deep" in this case means larger vertically.

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and the volume of water usage increases thus your capacity decreases....
Jim, you do know you don't have to fill the sink, right?
Of course a very deep (in the vertical direction) sink is awkward to use because the user needs to reach down so far. I doubt we're talking about that deep.

A sink with more area takes more water to fill to the same depth, so if you need a certain depth (to cover something being washed?) then it does take more water. I do think that a sink can be too large horizontally, for this reason and for the balance with counter space.
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:12 PM   #46
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Delete toilet. Optional bung.
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:34 PM   #47
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Here is the Oliver step-
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Old 01-16-2016, 07:37 PM   #48
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If you put that step on an Escape, I think the first step would be an inch above the ground.
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Any downside?
Have to cut off the top rear brace to install it on the standard ETI stringers. It wraps around them.
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If you put that step on an Escape, I think the first step would be an inch above the ground.
That depends on how level your camp site happens to be.
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