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Old 01-16-2016, 10:23 PM   #61
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Old 01-16-2016, 10:38 PM   #62
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The jacks currently on Escapes are intended as stabilizers - the owner is directed specifically not to lift any part of the trailer with these jacks, as it risks bending the trailer. To work as leveling jacks, I believe that either the frame would need to be stiffer between the jacks, or a pair of leveling jacks would be needed immediately behind the axle(s),
I do wonder, with the greater stiffness in the 4" frame over the 3" frame, if this is still as applicable. Perhaps a structural guy can chime in but my rough estimate is that it's about 2.35 times more resistant to bending. At any rate I've sometimes wondered if the factory caution is a little bit overkill considering they've switched from a 3" to 4" frame but kept the caution note the same.

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Old 01-16-2016, 11:22 PM   #63
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Yes they do, and that's why I was able to ship a single arm spray faucet. I didn't word my request very well... I was looking for Escape to provide an alternate faucet as a factory option. From reading this forum, it looks like a lot of people have sent in their own faucet and/or sink. Having a factory option vs sending your own is really just a convenience thing and not a big deal. I didn't send a sink because of the shipping cost. If an alternate sink was offered I might have selected it. We're just listing ideas and nice to haves here, and that was one for me! I think the fact that it's such a nitpicky thing is a testament to the great variety of options Escape offers!
I see what you mean, Jill. This is the problem they have: They do not specify what they use for the bath or kitchen faucets or sinks and, if they do, as with an option, they have to provide exactly that sink or faucet model at the price given. Sinks and faucets change a great deal. In other words, they are constantly discontinued.

Now they have the standard sink and a stainless steel version. If they get something else for an option, they have to be able to provide big numbers of it. If it is discontinued, they have to contact every customer who ordered it and make arrangements for a change, and look for a replacement and change their information. That is very time-consuming. Same for a faucet.

They have that problem with all of their options but there is so much variety in sinks and faucets. People choose what they choose for many reasons. Solar panels, for instance, don't come in thousands of possibilities. Right now, if one of the standard sinks or faucets is discontinued, they simply get another. No announcement, no contacting customers, no changing info as would be happening with options. The designs are so numerous and constantly changing. And they know that. So they have you find what you want beyond theirs. If they think they can have another one that would appeal to many people, and that they can supply in big numbers for a long time, maybe they will do that. They have to rely on others to do that.

I did not send a sink because of shipping. I liked the sinks of several here including Alan's and Donna's but liked Chris R 's --- round. But found no round sink small enough in Canada to fit and to avoid big shipping. Our faucet, however, was purchased from IKEA and shipped from California for $12 shipping. Doubt I could have had a deal like that on sink shipping from the U.S.!
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Old 01-16-2016, 11:22 PM   #64
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I do wonder, with the greater stiffness in the 4" frame over the 3" frame, if this is still as applicable. Perhaps a structural guy can chime in but my rough estimate is that it's about 2.35 times more resistant to bending. At any rate I've sometimes wondered if the factory caution is a little bit overkill considering they've switched from a 3" to 4" frame but kept the caution note the same.
All good points, but I think there are some significant detail issues.

Jacking for leveling at three points (one just behind the axle on each side, and the tongue jack) would likely be fine for all models, and that's presumably why Oliver went with this approach - the problem comes when trying to take the load far from the axles.

The 2"x4" frame on the 17 Foot is probably lots, but when I jacked up my similarly sized Boler with full-length 2"x4" frame rails that way (to work on the suspension) it looked fine but it (temporarily) sagged enough that the door no longer fit properly (just while it was jacked up). So if that's marginal, there are two factors to further complicate the situation:
  1. in all Escape models the rear part of the frame (the part which steps up) is 1.5"x3" tubing; this is entirely suitable for the purpose, but was not chosen to take load off of the axles, and as I recall the existing rear jacks are mounted up on this lighter rear frame section
  2. in the larger-than-17' models, larger tubing would have been required just to match the strength and stiffness of original 1.5"x3" main frame of the 17', while accounting for the greater weight and greater span
I agree that Escape may be a little conservative in their advice, but if it was applicable for the 3" framed 17' it would probably still be applicable for the 4" framed 21', and jacking for leveling involves some substantial forces in any model.
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:00 AM   #65
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Like to see these standard:
Removable power cord
Power Tongue Jack
8" memory foam mattress or the current coil you choose
Black snap caps and trim for dark Formica choices
Medicine cabinet/mirror bathroom
Towel bar bathroom
Switches at entry door for each outside light and main overhead interior light

Hopefully these will all be in place before they release the 25 model...
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:33 AM   #66
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:34 AM   #67
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I agree. Without unnecessarily getting into anatomical details, an elongated bowl would be desirable for some owners. While this can be changed by the owner, it is annoying to pay for something that will just be removed and discarded, so a factory option would be better.
This is one thing that I've asked about, but did not get a response; maybe because Crystal left and Sarah didn't realize it hadn't been answered. However, I do plan to take a printout of one up there on Monday to find out if it can be installed. Along with printouts of various sinks and faucets we're thinking of. And to measure everything possible in their display trailer.
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Old 01-17-2016, 01:44 AM   #68
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What would we talk about if they made all the options standard? Part of the fun of this forum is finding out what everybody else is doing and not doing.
I started this thread as a lighthearted thread - something to have fun with. It's always fun (least for me) to dream about stuff, even though I know darn well it'll never happen. Like automatic levelers. Yeah, I know that's not gonna happen, but it's fun to dream about it.

I've enjoyed seeing what other ideas folks came up with. I'm sure some of those folks know it'll never happen, but it's fun to think about.

I fully appreciate the fact that ETI will allow me to make so many choices on my trailer. Especially since I don't have to have BROWN upholstery! We got ssssooo tired of seeing brown in all the stickies we were looking at before I discovered ETI. Yeah, some may like brown, but not us.

And yeah, I want my trailer to have a toilet! I will not be deleting that feature!
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I started this thread as a lighthearted thread - something to have fun with. It's always fun (least for me) to dream about stuff, even though I know darn well it'll never happen. Like automatic levelers. Yeah, I know that's not gonna happen, but it's fun to dream about it.



I fully appreciate the fact that ETI will allow me to make so many choices on my trailer. Especially since I don't have to have BROWN upholstery! We got ssssooo tired of seeing brown in all the stickies we were looking at before I discovered ETI. Yeah, some may like brown, but not us. :nonono

Yes, I still want a periscope through the bath vent!

No brown for us either after the last one! I think they use brown so much to hide stains. It is nice to see all of the other colors people are getting which has included just about everything in Escapes by now.
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Here is the Oliver step-
That Oliver step is an interesting conversation point. I spoke to Robert Partee, their sales manager at the Cherokee, N.C. rally last fall, where there were 9 Olivers, and Robert said they couldn't find a satisfactory step set, so they build their own. It is solid aluminum and rather pricey to make, he said.
I'm fine with our current step on our 21'
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