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Old 10-23-2013, 07:50 AM   #31
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My wife and I spent 101 days camping in our Casita SD this summer. We made the rear dinette into a bed at night and dinette in the morning. For naps we made it to a bed at mid-day and then back to a dinette after the nap. 60 days of that was ok but then it became tiresome. We love that big dinette but we decided for long trips that full time bed and a full time dinette (even if the dinette is a little smaller) would be better. So that is why we are looking hard at the Escape 21.

The next issue is space. If you camp for long periods that space can start to work on you. We hike and bike and spend a lot of time outdoors but there's all kinds of things that drive you inside if you are on the road long enough. We looked at the 19 and didn't feel it added enough space to make the leap from our current camper so that is why we think the 21 or 5.0 would work.

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Old 10-23-2013, 10:13 AM   #32
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At the 2012 Bandon Gathering Norma announced she'd like more space than our current 17B for when we retire and are able to stay out on longer trips. We wanted a full time bed and bigger dinette.
I mentioned to Tammy we'd be talking to them in a year or so and she hinted at the coming 21' trailer... I thought "Great! used 19' trailers will be hitting the market!".
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Once Norma walked around the 21 Tammy and Reace had there, it was hard to get her to even look at a 19', despite the great deal on lightly used 19' Escapes that started to appear.
It's hard to describe how the slight extra length & width change the feeling of the layout, but we can pass by one another easily. The extra width of the aisle and space around the bed seem to mean a lot to the livability of the small space & we feel this will be especially appreciated on longer trips in cooler locations.
The bed is smaller than the 19, but I won't have to crawl over her to get up first & its still bigger than the 17B.
It turns out, after being in both, its the 21 for us.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:22 AM   #33
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Jamie, your reasoning sounds sound. Do you have 3 kids, thus needing the 2 separate sleeping areas?

Other than I think it looks cool, what is the advantage of having a U-shaped dinette? Wouldn't you have to have a much smaller table top? Plus, the corners would not really afford a good place to sit, as they would be too far from the table. Those of you that have this option, how many can you comfortably sit to eat? With the regular dinette in our 19 we seat four with lots of room for food and wine bottles. We have even put a fifth in using a chair at the end one time.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:51 AM   #34
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Thanks very, very much to everyone for their input and any future input! I really appreciate it, and it challenges my thoughts. Either trailer will be fantastic, it's terrific to have 2 beautiful options.


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Jamie, your reasoning sounds sound. Do you have 3 kids, thus needing the 2 separate sleeping areas?

Other than I think it looks cool, what is the advantage of having a U-shaped dinette? Wouldn't you have to have a much smaller table top? Plus, the corners would not really afford a good place to sit, as they would be too far from the table. Those of you that have this option, how many can you comfortably sit to eat? With the regular dinette in our 19 we seat four with lots of room for food and wine bottles. We have even put a fifth in using a chair at the end one time.
Jim, we only have 1 kid, but my wife has health problems and often sleeps in her own bed at home, so we thought we'd better maintain that option in the trailer. The rear U-shaped dinette option is what provides 3 separate sleeping quarters (i.e., plus the front dinette bed and cot).

The rear dinette does not have to be U-shaped, but neither do the side benches need to be 5' long as a regular dinette. Either shape would be fine for our family plus 1 or 2 people. As you say the U shaped option looks cool, and would be very comfortable and functional for us. The extra 12" of the rear dinette area is a 25% increase in space, and window size, which makes a sizeable difference.

The U shaped table will be smaller: 35" vs 42" for the front dinette (both 30" wide), but still perfectly useable for our small family. I've seen a U shaped option for the front dinette, and it's not for me (found it less functional, table too small, less spacious). I've been in the 21' and its rear dinette just doesn't seem to appeal to me either.

Again, thanks for taking time! I felt a little indulgent posting my long winded post, but the follow up comments are helping me ! j
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Old 10-23-2013, 01:19 PM   #35
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oops, made that last reply to Jim in a bit of a rush. Read it afterwards and it sounded a bit redundant, but the gist of it is there. Thanks Jim. j
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Again, thanks for taking time! I felt a little indulgent posting my long winded post, but the follow up comments are helping me ! j
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oops, made that last reply to Jim in a bit of a rush. Read it afterwards and it sounded a bit redundant, but the gist of it is there. Thanks Jim. j
You did a fine job of explaining all your reasoning, Jamie. You also seem to be able to see through all of our biases towards what we chose, and I have no doubt you will be able to make a final decision that works best for you.

A side thought, a bit off track, but still in the same vein;
What about a third option for a dinette? Running a bench all the way along the back for seating, you could easily fit 4 across without the side benches. You could then a narrow aisle to access the two tables, one on each side opposite the bench. Great idea, eh? Not so good for 4 people playing cards though. :
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A side thought, a bit off track, but still in the same vein;
What about a third option for a dinette? Running a bench all the way along the back for seating, you could easily fit 4 across without the side benches. You could then a narrow aisle to access the two tables, one on each side opposite the bench. Great idea, eh? Not so good for 4 people playing cards though. :
I like your style, Jim, taking the rear dinette customizing to the next level! j
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:14 PM   #38
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I like this thread. But I think we need to put things in perspective. The 19 has been on the market since 2009, the 21 arrived this month. Remember we are just reading a report on the third unit built, and for all practical purposes the first five were built this month. There has not been the time to digest the new model, especially by those who previously owned a 19 and can make a valid comparison.

That said, the comments have all been right on, we have some great logic as to which model is preferred. The readership will certainly be aware of the comfort features of the two units after finishing this thread.
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