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10-10-2018, 01:57 PM
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Building a house in Haiti
We've all followed the building of Robert's beautiful house using skilled tradesmen and built to a high level of building codes.
Well, building a house in Haiti has a few differences. I'm involved in building the house because I am a volunteer with a Canadian group that drills wells to provide fresh and safe drinking water to the majority of Hatians that often are drinking unsafe and polluted water.
We train Haitian crews to drill wells and install pumps but Canadian volunteers are still required to travel to Haiti and oversee such things as administration and the overhaul and repair of equipment.
We have leased an old rat infested farmhouse but have to be out by the end of March. Fortunately it withstood Saturday night's 5.9 earthquake without falling down. We have constructed a house of our own on several acres that we own. It is a walled compound, a bit of an understatement, at places it's 15' high. This is an all in one compound and also houses our stores and maintenance shop.
The building permit process in Haiti is remarkably simple and hassle free. You just start building, no need to submit plans etc. At some point the Mayor will come out to give his blessings for the project. That is after he looks at what's being built, decides on a value, in our case a nice round US$10,000 per floor and he has his the cash in hand. Hey, the bright side is that there aren't any property taxes. I said the process was simple, I didn't say cheap.
The house has two levels and is, in fact, a two level duplex with each level having two bathrooms and two bedrooms, a kitchen and living area as well as covered decks on two sides.
It was built with Haitian labor but to Canadian specs for concrete and rebar etc. My job was to wire it to Canadian standards. All wiring is surface run conduit and with 10' ceilings and one rickety ladder a bit of extra work. The high heat and humidity add another dimension.
A few photos of the old farm house and the new place.
Ron
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10-10-2018, 02:11 PM
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Sounds like it might be overbuilt for Haiti, Ron. Looking good. Is concrete used because of the potential for failure from natural disaster, or is it just cheaper?
I am having a coffee break working on my own addition. Just below freezing with lots of snow here. Warming up nice soon though.
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10-10-2018, 02:28 PM
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Looks good Ron! I have always wondered why the exposed rebar is left at the top of walls and columns on buildings like this one. Do you know if that is done that way to allow future construction of additional levels to the structure, or is there some other reason?
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10-10-2018, 02:36 PM
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Rebar
I don't know if it's true, but was told that in Mexico a house is not taxed until it is finished (never), so the rebar is part of the unfinished home.
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10-10-2018, 02:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkirk
I don't know if it's true, but was told that in Mexico a house is not taxed until it is finished (never), so the rebar is part of the unfinished home.
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True in many parts of the Caribbean.... taxes don't begin until the house is topped out. I've seen an awful lot of really nice homes with a bunch of rusty rebar garnish sprouting from the top.
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10-10-2018, 03:42 PM
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Ron, thanks for all you're doing in Haiti! It is definitely an area in need.
Building "codes" are interesting, to say the least, in other parts of the world. I don't think we could get away with this type of electrical wiring in the US or Canada. Photos taken in Baguio City, Philippines in 2015.
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10-10-2018, 03:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkirk
I don't know if it's true, but was told that in Mexico a house is not taxed until it is finished (never), so the rebar is part of the unfinished home.
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If that is the case, you wonder why that particular loophole is not rapidly closed?
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10-10-2018, 03:46 PM
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Wow, good for you Ron. Says alot about you that you're helping such a tragedy stricken and dysfunctional country. God bless.
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10-10-2018, 04:24 PM
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From Wiki:
The external debt of Haiti is one of the main factors that has caused the country's persistent poverty. After the slaves declared themselves free and the country independent in 1804, France, with the complicity of its allies, demanded that the newly formed country pay the French government and French slaveholders the modern equivalent of US $21 billion dollars for the "theft" of the slaves' own lives and the land that they had turned into profitable sugar and coffee-producing plantations. This independence debt was financed by French banks and the American Citibank, and finally paid off 143 years later, in 1947.
Later, the corrupt Duvalier dynasty added to the country's debts, and is believed to have used the money to expand their power and for their personal benefits.
In the early 21st century, and especially after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, the World Bank and some other governments forgave the remaining parts of Haiti's debts. France forgave a more recent loan with a balance of US $77 million, but has refused to consider repaying the independence debt.
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10-10-2018, 04:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
Sounds like it might be overbuilt for Haiti, Ron. Looking good. Is concrete used because of the potential for failure from natural disaster, or is it just cheaper?
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We were 25 miles from the epicenter of the 5.9 earthquake on Saturday night. I'd have much rather been in the new place, built to Canadian earthquake standards then the old wood and concrete place. The tropical climate is hard on wood structures and the wood would have to be all shipped in, so yes, concrete is even probably cheaper.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Walter
Looks good Ron! I have always wondered why the exposed rebar is left at the top of walls and columns on buildings like this one. Do you know if that is done that way to allow future construction of additional levels to the structure, or is there some other reason?
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It's a common situation the world over where structures and built of concrete and with block infill. Yes, there are claims that the house is still "unfinished" and doesn't pay any taxes but I really don't think that's the case. In our case we're contemplating adding a partial 3rd floor. Someone even thinks that just putting up a screen tent and cots, with the breeze off the ocean, would make it into a great place to sleep
Ron
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10-10-2018, 06:57 PM
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Ron in BC, thank you for your work in Haiti and your contributions to this forum. Baglo, thanks for the history lesson.
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10-10-2018, 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Viajante
Ron in BC, thank you for your work in Haiti and your contributions to this forum. Baglo, thanks for the history lesson.
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Affirm!!
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10-11-2018, 12:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
We've all followed the building of Robert's beautiful house using skilled tradesmen and built to a high level of building codes.
Well, building a house in Haiti has a few differences. I'm involved in building the house because I am a volunteer with a Canadian group that drills wells to provide fresh and safe drinking water to the majority of Hatians that often are drinking unsafe and polluted water.
We train Haitian crews to drill wells and install pumps but Canadian volunteers are still required to travel to Haiti and oversee such things as administration and the overhaul and repair of equipment.
We have leased an old rat infested farmhouse but have to be out by the end of March. Fortunately it withstood Saturday night's 5.9 earthquake without falling down. We have constructed a house of our own on several acres that we own. It is a walled compound, a bit of an understatement, at places it's 15' high. This is an all in one compound and also houses our stores and maintenance shop.
The building permit process in Haiti is remarkably simple and hassle free. You just start building, no need to submit plans etc. At some point the Mayor will come out to give his blessings for the project. That is after he looks at what's being built, decides on a value, in our case a nice round US$10,000 per floor and he has his the cash in hand. Hey, the bright side is that there aren't any property taxes. I said the process was simple, I didn't say cheap.
The house has two levels and is, in fact, a two level duplex with each level having two bathrooms and two bedrooms, a kitchen and living area as well as covered decks on two sides.
It was built with Haitian labor but to Canadian specs for concrete and rebar etc. My job was to wire it to Canadian standards. All wiring is surface run conduit and with 10' ceilings and one rickety ladder a bit of extra work. The high heat and humidity add another dimension.
A few photos of the old farm house and the new place.
Ron
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Ron I applaud you ! One of the good humans in this world making the world better ! Be safe my friend Pat
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10-11-2018, 07:03 AM
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Ron, THANKS for your contribution to man kind and bettering the life of others.
I think how the building permit part was handled shows you the problem in Haiti, corruption at many levels of government, but sadly this is a problem in most of the poorest countries on our planet.
Safe travels to all,
Steve
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10-11-2018, 09:52 AM
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Holy Northwest Territories, Ron! Hats off to you and your fellow volunteers. Never been to Haiti but did vacation once, Puerto Plata, insulated, gated resort. Needed to break out and see the real world so rented a car and drove a few hundred miles everywhere. Quite a reality check that was. You do good work.
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10-11-2018, 11:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
It's a common situation the world over where structures and built of concrete and with block infill. Yes, there are claims that the house is still "unfinished" and doesn't pay any taxes but I really don't think that's the case.
Ron
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I was told the same story about no taxes until completed both in Mexico and Peru, by guides - and it looked like about 90% of the concrete buildings had rebar sticking out the tops.
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10-11-2018, 11:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stratos175
shows you the problem in Haiti, corruption at many levels of government, but sadly this is a problem in most of the poorest countries on our planet.
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No corruption here.
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10-11-2018, 12:38 PM
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Thanks for all the thanks. I get my payback when I see kids being able to eagerly access safe water.
Our guys replaced a broken rod in a well and almost instantly it was back in service.
Re: comments about corruption. Yes, it's rampant. Jim commented about maybe building with wood. That would have required a container of lumber. In Haiti there isn't a Civil Service Commission that hires staff based on merit. Instead folks buy their job. In the case of a Customs officer that puts them in a position to charge sometimes extravagant "import fees".
Hopefully things will change with the younger generation being wired into the modern world.
Ron
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10-17-2018, 11:55 AM
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Ron. My wife and I have been to Haiti a number of times to help rebuild after hurricanes and on medical mission trips. My wife is headed back next month on a medical mission trip (Mary's a RN). We love those people and the need is great, especially the need for clean water. You're a good man. Thank you.
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10-17-2018, 02:40 PM
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So nice to read about positive steps. Ron, you are inspiring. And Baglo, I appreciate the history lesson.
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