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Old 07-06-2016, 01:28 PM   #21
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While it's a fact that I sometimes feel sorry for the lifestyle of the building bound generation, regardless of age, it is heartening to meet and talk camping and outdoor adventures with today's young people when you encounter them. We spent some time last weekend putting a new floor in my 31 year old daughter and son in laws 42 year old boler. They learned, they helped and they were proud. When they got ready to leave yesterday I gave them a mismatched set of wrenches including a Bonney 7/8 made in West Germany and so marked. I'm trying to show them what I can and to make them realize just cause it's old don't mean it ain't good. Human, Steel or Cheese. They already have the hooch part down.
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Very nice! My 32 year old daughter plans on meeting up with me next year in B.C. for some camping when I meet the 19. Both of us will be on a Rocky Mountainy steep learning curve!
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:28 PM   #22
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Loren, I have to tell you, that 21 you have is a sneaky devil. While you were here in May he slipped down to the building to see our 19 and the next thing I know, there's gonna be a baby boler living in my shed with her mom next winter. If Loren stops by to see you, keep your eye on his trailer.
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Old 07-06-2016, 01:53 PM   #23
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Pretty much true. The people I admire most are those who can do alot of things well - maybe not professionally, but competently.
I agree... and there have been people like that forever; I suspect there always will be. There is less and less need to be a generalist, since almost anything is available without being able to build or do it ourselves, but some are still interested.

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One of my favorite quotes is from a novel by Robert Heinlein. It expresses his idea of the 'competent man':

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
That sounds nice, but like all literary references to the "competent man" it doesn't correspond to anyone in reality. Heinlein wrote this particular version in a science fiction novel (Time Enough for Love), not a practical manual for life. I think we'll need to accept the idea that by this standard there are about 7 billion incompetent humans on the planet... perhaps in part because - unlike Heinlein's "competent" character Lazarus Long - we don't have hundreds of years of life to learn all this stuff.
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I agree... and there have been people like that forever; I suspect there always will be. There is less and less need to be a generalist, since almost anything is available without being able to build or do it ourselves, but some are still interested.


That sounds nice, but like all literary references to the "competent man" it doesn't correspond to anyone in reality. Heinlein wrote this particular version in a science fiction novel (Time Enough for Love), not a practical manual for life. I think we'll need to accept the idea that by this standard there are about 7 billion incompetent humans on the planet... perhaps in part because - unlike Heinlein's "competent" character Lazarus Long - we don't have hundreds of years of life to learn all this stuff.
As long as I can tow and empty the black safely and competently, I will be a very happy camper.
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:09 PM   #25
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I think we'll need to accept the idea that by this standard there are about 7 billion incompetent humans on the planet... perhaps in part because - unlike Heinlein's "competent" character Lazarus Long - we don't have hundreds of years of life to learn all this stuff.

True, it's fiction, and therefore idealized and exaggerated. Still, I agree with the sentiment. My idea of the competent man is far narrower. My first experiences with this type of man were with my father. Growing up I often thought 'there's nothing he doesn't know how to do.' I watched him build a house from start to finish. I watched him paint a car, overhaul an engine, fly fish like an expert and hunt like nobody's business. All the while he was building the circuitry for Nike Hercules missiles for the Army. Smart man.


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I felt the same about my dad until Alzheimers set in and he regressed until his death, my father was the epitome of "Jack of all trades, master of none".
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I felt the same about my dad until Alzheimers set in and he regressed until his death, my father was the epitome of "Jack of all trades, master of none".
My favorite kind of guy Jim. Alzheimers may have stolen his memories, but not your memories of him.
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I felt the same about my dad until Alzheimers set in and he regressed until his death, my father was the epitome of "Jack of all trades, master of none".
Hi: cpaharley2008... My Dad still helps me though he's been dead since '93. When I get into a bind with a job, I stop and think...WWDD and the problem gets solved. He never had time for Alzheimers and keeled over with a shovel in his hand. His wish!!! Alf
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My former job involved high-performance computing. I remember telling a young co-worker about when I was a child having to wait for radios to warm up before they would work, because they used vacuum tubes. I added that the earliest computers used vacuum tubes as well. He thought for a minute and said, "Wow, those old computers must have been hard to work on, with all those tubes running every which way!" I guess he had never seen a vacuum tube and had no idea what one looked like.
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