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Old 03-16-2016, 09:26 AM   #21
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Years ago, we heard the directive to run the government like a business. I would routinely ask if we should run it like several pairs of like businesses,'large and small that had closed their doors or moved out of our fair city. This was not appreciated. However the push continued despite the fact that we pointed out we were a service, not a business. Then came the proliferation of employees who were behind the scenes, not out on the line. Costs increased but the number of police officers,'firemen,'park workers etc etc decreased or stayed the same while populations,'number of structures serve,'acres of public land etc increased. Something's gotta give. One thing that was good in the park sector was the formation of volunteer groups. Personally, I had to be careful to balance the tasks done by paid employees and volunteers on an almost daily basis. My role clearly changed over the years. We still live in a great countries, Americans and Canadians alike.
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Old 03-16-2016, 09:41 AM   #22
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Run the government like a business? Remember that business that jacked up the price of a vital medicine 2 thousand percent? Or the ones that ignored or hid the fact that their products were so poorly designed they were a deadly accident waiting to happen? Or the businesses that flouted common sense regulations by taking advantages of loopholes and thousands lost their life savings?
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Old 03-16-2016, 09:53 AM   #23
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Exactly, when I used examples like that in front of Consultants the city council had hired I was often branded as 'not a team player. My leadership skills often allowed me to steer discussions sometimes making for a non-productive session. A butt chewing by my director later in the day was the norm but in the end, they never laid a glove on me. My mantra of Salis populi suprema lex, the people's safety is the highest law was also viewed as obstructionist to ill conceived special events too.
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Old 03-16-2016, 03:50 PM   #24
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I agree with you both, Steve and Carl, to a point. My comments were mostly about federal employees - the ones I work with frequently due to the nature of my job. Most are necessary to be sure, but it's not so much the necessity, but the size and scope of government that I'm concerned with. State and local governments on the other hand are often stretched very thin. I too was a Police Officer, but for some reason, I don't really think of police work in the 'government employment' way - perhaps because it's so vital.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:04 PM   #25
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Yes, I know what you mean Robert. And the Federal bureaucracies tend to be self sustaining. You have completed your work on cadmium and lead, find two more elements/compounds to add to the list to justify continued existence. And the Feds seem to think they have limitless budgets, unlike most state governments and almost all local governments.
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Old 03-16-2016, 05:12 PM   #26
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Yes, I know what you mean Robert. And the Federal bureaucracies tend to be self sustaining. You have completed your work on cadmium and lead, find two more elements/compounds to add to the list to justify continued existence. And the Feds seem to think they have limitless budgets, unlike most state governments and almost all local governments.
Oh how true. And unfortunately the feds do have unlimited money, they simply print more of it.

And as for running a government like a business, our Governor is a multi-millionaire venture capitalist/hedge fund manager who hates all unions, public employee unions in particular and is holding the budget hostage until he gets his way and we continue our race to the bottom. End of this rant.

And this all started with a joke that I found very funny.

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There are any number of pent up frustrations held by former employees of private and government operations. This afternoon I visited the Linn County outdoor learning facility with Rita and my grandson. What a beautiful facility. And free. While there I dropped in to see the county conservation Landscape Architect. He's a great guy and a good friend. He expressed frustration with an asbestos removal project he was working on. We shared a couple of asbestos war stories and then it was time for me to go get a chocolate malt while he kept working. And suddenly the sun came out and I felt very good being retired.
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There are any number of pent up frustrations held by former employees of private and government operations. This afternoon I visited the Linn County outdoor learning facility with Rita and my grandson. What a beautiful facility. And free. While there I dropped in to see the county conservation Landscape Architect. He's a great guy and a good friend. He expressed frustration with an asbestos removal project he was working on. We shared a couple of asbestos war stories and then it was time for me to go get a chocolate malt while he kept working. And suddenly the sun came out and I felt very good being retired.
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Asbestos

Alf,
A lot of us did a lot of bad things to our bodies in the line of work we were in. Add that to the extracurricular after work boozin, ladder climbing, tree cutting, you name it foolish things and it's a wonder any of us are still going. However, from my graduating class of 562 in 1966, Eighty one have died and I'm sure work hazards got a few of them through cancer etc. What's that old line? I'd like to go peacefully in my sleep like grandpa at 85, not screaming and crying like my relatives in his car.
Hope you're having a great week when everybody is Irish at least for a day.
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Steven, I think your comment about wanting the services but not wanting to pay for them is dead on!
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