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Old 05-28-2015, 11:51 PM   #11
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You need to visit both a 19 and 21; you'll like both after decades of tent camping (I did same.) The 21 is a bit wider than the 19 so is probably closer to your class C thoughts; also has a no-crawlover bed for bathroom breaks.
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Old 05-28-2015, 11:55 PM   #12
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Mike, don't worry, you made the right decision and you will love an Escape. As far as a Born Free, it would be great too but if you are looking at money, higher costs for insurance and repairs. Just for your information, an Escape loses about $1000 per year as a rough estimate, depending on options, assuming you do not remove standard equipment such as shower or bathroom.

As for the 19' or 21', that is largely a bed size and layout issue as to your personal needs. The 21' has more counter but the 19' has a bigger bed. Also, with resale in mind, you need two big items: A/C and insulation and thermal windows.
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Old 05-29-2015, 12:06 AM   #13
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We went to Chilliwack last fall to compare the 19 and 21 side by side. If you see them both rather than looking at pictures, you will be sure you made the right decision. You should be able to accomplish this without going all of the way to Chilliwack. We will be in Florida in about 3 weeks, but unfortunately sans trailer. Loren
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Old 05-29-2015, 12:10 AM   #14
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To end this long story, we've decided to go with the Escape The plan now is to try and see one and decide between the 19 and 21. This will be our first RV, so we're not 100% sure we're going to "love" it. In case we find out we've made the wrong decision, we won't have any trouble selling an Escape and it should hold it's value well.

I think we're going to be fine with our decision. We've been tent camper for over 35 years and we'd like a little more comfort now

If our experience is of any value, here goes:

Our 19 was our first RV. We had always camped in tents, and wanted something comfortable, durable and economical to use. Researching all the different types, we knew we wanted a molded fiberglass trailer. No rust, no rot, very low maintenance and very low depreciation. But which one? We called and Emailed Casita since it's only a few hours away, and got nada. Zip. Zilch. To this day, they've never responded to my voice mail or email.

So, we went to FGRV to find out about other brands. Surprisingly, there aren't that many manufacturers still in business. Saw the Scamp, then the Escape, which I was completely unfamiliar with. In comparing the two it was obvious that the Escape was a breed apart. One piece shell, no rivets, no "rat fur" on the walls, wood interior, and a ton of available options. So, I sent an email.

Within 15 minutes I received a reply and a thank you for my inquiry, a price sheet and other helpful information about the factory schedule and available delivery dates.

Later I joined the Escape Forum and learned just how well respected Escapes are in the fiberglass RV world. Learned a ton about them in a very short time.

Long story short, this gave us the confidence that the Escape was for us. We put a deposit down sight unseen. Later, a 19 owner who we met through the forum (Steve and Cynthia in Boerne) invited us over to tour their trailer. If we hadn't known we had made the right decision before that visit, we certainly did afterwards.

Our trip to pick up our Escape was the most fun we've had in many years. Just a wonderful trip full of memories that will last a lifetime. We named our trailer 'Past Tents' -- and it certainly is way past them. Sleeping in warmth and comfort in the Cascades or the Rocky Mountains, we wondered why we hadn't done this sooner.

Fast forward to now. We could not be happier with our 19. It's everything we wanted and more. I could also go on and on about the stellar customer service we've received from Reace and Tammy at Escape, just as all the other owners have.

There have been more than a few decisions I've made in life that turned out badly. Buying an Escape was not one of them.

Lastly, your wallet will be FAR happier as you pass all those gas pumps with your Escape that you would have been stopping at with a motorhome.
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Old 05-29-2015, 01:32 PM   #15
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Mike, I think you and your wife made the correct decision. I know I'll be quite happy with the one we eventually order.

Last month I rented a 32' Jayco for an eventual 1900 mile trip from Seattle to Sacramento and then back up along highway 101. Before I rented it I knew I didn't want a motor home, but thought we'd want to get a TT instead. I'm not into tent camping, so I wanted to see if I liked the lifestyle of having your mobile home with you. Yeah, I do!

For months we went to RV shows, visited dealers and I followed the forums for a few different companies. During my trip I went through some R-Pods and talked to owners at a campsite. I was very interested and started reading a forum for them. One common thread for all of those forums was the amount of complaining about what didn't work, asking how to fix it, problems with service/dealers, this and that. I finally said enough is enough when one person posted that "it's the nature of the beast" sort of comment. I decided that wasn't good enough for me.

After I got home from my month-long rental, my dad suggested I check out Scamps. He lives near their factory and had toured it a few years ago. That got me to reading more on the internet and I discovered this forum. I never looked back. I tried to dig pretty deep, but I wasn't able to find any complaints about the Escapes. (Well, there was the one fellow that said his trailer wasn't big enough for the moose he got in Alaska and something about his axles.) Yeah, there might be a few problems, but they were all solved very quickly by the company itself or a repair shop close to the owner (and then the company paid for it, if need be).

WOW - what a difference!!
I was very, very impressed with what I was reading on this forum. We were fortunate in touring 4 different Escape trailers in the Seattle area. There's a lot of 'em in my neck of the woods.

As others have said, it can make a difference once you tour them. You might have to travel a bit to see one, but if you can, definitely do it. Although, others have bought sight unseen, including one fellow in The Netherlands!

I posted about the tours on this forum, so if you'd like to read them, please do so. I'm 5'10" and appx 220#. Having a full length bed is my #1 priority in what we eventually purchase. If you're used to tents, the 19' will feel really good to you. We're not, so it felt too small for me. We've decided the 5.0TA is the best option for us. But we would not have known that without looking at them.

Maybe you could do a string mock-up of the different trailers, if you're not able to view them. That way you'll get a good idea of how much walking around space there is, how the beds will fit ya and all that. there's lots of different posts on this forum, including photos, so you should get a good idea of what options you'll want. I've started a spreadsheet of options. One fellow told me to estimate $10,000 worth of options, and while I'm not quite there, it is just over $7,000 in options (and before I figure in the cost of ordering my own custom flooring, fabric and countertop).

Here's my posts:

Just toured a 21 footer

Touring the 19' and 5.0TA today

Flopping on the u-shaped dinette

Enjoy figuring out what you want!
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:14 PM   #16
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One fellow told me to estimate $10,000 worth of options...
Wow, that could be a huge red flag to potential buyers. I didn't spend near that amount of money and I would strongly suggest that the basic Escape model with NO options is perfect for a lot of people. Not everyone needs enough power to require huge inverters or 12-volt plugs every four feet or lights everywhere or the myriad other options mentioned on this forum. It seems that the tone of this forum has changed in the last few years and is veering toward who can spend the most money, have the most options, or make the most modifications. Just my opinion...
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Old 05-29-2015, 03:06 PM   #17
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Wow, that could be a huge red flag to potential buyers. I didn't spend near that amount of money and I would strongly suggest that the basic Escape model with NO options is perfect for a lot of people. Not everyone needs enough power to require huge inverters or 12-volt plugs every four feet or lights everywhere or the myriad other options mentioned on this forum. It seems that the tone of this forum has changed in the last few years and is veering toward who can spend the most money, have the most options, or make the most modifications. Just my opinion...
I agree with Karen in that I have also noticed a definite change in attitudes over the past 3 yrs. When I joined this forum while shopping for a fiberglass rv, the impression I got was that the Standard Escape was perfectly suitable for 99% of a persons needs, and it is nice to add a few options as luxury items. I am not sure if it is one-upmanship or something else, but to me it seems that many newcomers to the site are convinced by "us" that a new Escape is not complete unless it has nearly all of the available options (and other options not currently offered) on the standard Escapes. There are countless threads on the forum discussing changes/additions/options that should be added to new Escapes at the time of ordering.

I think it is well worth reminding everyone on this site, both oldtimers and newtimers, that a new Escape with only the Standard features is an excellent product, and it is not absolutely necessary to get more than that to be happy with your purchase.
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Old 05-29-2015, 03:06 PM   #18
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Karen,

You're not the first to make that observation. But, at least nobody has yet posted that they are "gutting" their trailer.
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Old 05-29-2015, 03:30 PM   #19
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Yeah, but if you can get options to make the trailer the way YOU want it, why not? And what's wrong with being willing to pay for it? We're not rich. We're going to have to save up the money for it (I'm going to sell my animal figurine collection to help pay for it). We don't have a big-ass house nor will we ever (it'd be a tear-down for anyone purchasing after we keel over; people never say "nice house" when they see it). However, we do plan on keeping this trailer for an awfully long time, so why not put some money into it to make it the way we want it?

I know I haven't been on here for very long, but I have not felt there's any "one-upmanship" going on. I've felt like it's folks knowing they can order what they want and getting what they want. Some folks like to fiddle around and make changes themselves. Others want the factory to do it for them and are willing to pay for it as they don't have the time/skill/desire to do it themselves.

So, to each their own. I prefer to add options as I want to be comfortable in my home-away-from-home trailer. I want to look at my custom flooring/fabric/countertop and have it bring a smile to my face instead of thinking "yeah, that's kind of boring".

I've seen plenty of comments on what someone would have added to their trailer when they ordered. Far more than from folks saying "wish I hadn't ordered" a particular option.

So, yeah, the basic Escape trailer will work for many folks. But so will one with options added that they want for their enjoyment and comfort. If it's considered glamping, oh well - I don't have a problem with that. I never wanted to sleep on rocks or pee outside. And that's why I never went tent camping except for when forced to as a kid by our parents.
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Old 05-29-2015, 04:25 PM   #20
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I just looked over our build list: We originally had just over $4000 worth of options. When we sent a big check to ETI, the exchange rate was such that our payment was much, much bigger in Canadian dollars, so we added another $3000 worth of options over the last 4 months, and still are within our budget.
I haven't gotten the feeling of 'one-upsmanship' on the forum, but a lot of great suggestions and plus/minus analysis of 'druthers', that went into our later decisions.
It is, after all, our chosen path to have fun in when I retire. We're goin' for it! And, this brand is going to last well into our offspring's family years.
We did not go into this price-blind. The base prices are on ETI's website, as are the Features and Options/costs Lists. We read everything on their site beforehand. And we made a prelim. list before we ever contacted ETI. That's just the prudent thing to do. And I guess I'm assuming that everyone does the same, that's why they're in a financially firm position to make such decisions.
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