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Old 12-09-2014, 12:38 PM   #31
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We did take a long hard look at the heat pads because we like camping in the shoulder seasons and expect night temperatures to be in the 20's (F). But that said, since the 12v heat pads draw 100 watts each, they are essentially 110v items running directly off the 110v to 12v converter. With no 110v they would essentially be useless.
I wouldn't consider running 12V heat pads from the battery; I assume they are for use while towing, with power from the tow vehicle. Yes, I know, some people have all sorts of problems getting enough power from the tug to run their refrigerators!

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Some people drive with the fridge on propane ( you have to stop and shut it off before refueling the tow vehicle, then stop again to relight it ). I've done that, but find it less hassle to just run the fridge for a day or two on shore power before leaving home, load it with cold food and turn it off for the drive. It stays cold for a long time if you don't open the door.
"A long time" is a relative term...
With a direct spark ignition appliance, this is just flipping a switch. If there is actually a manually-lit pilot, this is much more of a hassle.

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If you hook up the electric, then the surge protector is "protecting" your electronics, whether the electronics are your refrigerator or something else that you have plugged in.
There are many refrigerator control designs, but if the controls are run from the 12VDC supply and the 120VAC is used only for the heating elements that drives the cooling, AC power surges or brownouts won't bother the refrigerator. AC-powered motors and electronics are another matter.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:43 PM   #32
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I wouldn't consider running 12V heat pads from the battery; I assume they are for use while towing, with power from the tow vehicle. Yes, I know, some people have all sorts of problems getting enough power from the tug to run their refrigerators!
It is recommended that you only run the heat pads whilst plugged into shore power. They're power hungry, we confirmed this with a meter when we brought our trailer home, but I don't remember the numbers.
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Old 12-09-2014, 04:48 PM   #33
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The choice I had back in 2008 was a 3-way 3.5 cu. ft. fridge or a 2-way 5 cu. ft. fridge.
I think your choice is between a 4.3 cu. ft. fridge and a 6.7 cu. ft.
It doesn't really matter if they are 3 way or 2 way since it's not practical to run the fridge on 12 VDC, but you could if you had to.
I would just choose the size of fridge you think you will need. You'll be running it on propane when boon docking and 120 VAC when you have shore power.
Some people drive with the fridge on propane ( you have to stop and shut it off before refueling the tow vehicle, then stop again to relight it ). I've done that, but find it less hassle to just run the fridge for a day or two on shore power before leaving home, load it with cold food and turn it off for the drive. It stays cold for a long time if you don't open the door.
A caveat, that doesn't work in Texas or Southern California, but that's another thread.
You should probably check with Escape on what refrigerators are available for the 17B. The last time I talked with Reace,he mentioned that the 6.7 would not fit in the 17. They may have changed things or have other options, but I agree that having a larger refrigerator is very handy if you camp for long periods well away from resupplies.
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Old 12-09-2014, 06:10 PM   #34
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The choice I had back in 2008 was a 3-way 3.5 cu. ft. fridge or a 2-way 5 cu. ft. fridge.
I think your choice is between a 4.3 cu. ft. fridge and a 6.7 cu. ft.
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You should probably check with Escape on what refrigerators are available for the 17B. The last time I talked with Reace,he mentioned that the 6.7 would not fit in the 17. They may have changed things or have other options...
The 17' Features list says
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These are not just different sizes, they are different model lines (both from Dometic). The 19' shows the 4.3/6.7 choice, and the 21' and 5.0TA show just the 6.7 as standard.

Escape options - listed and otherwise - are moving target; I'm only noting what the ETI website currently shows.
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Old 12-09-2014, 06:58 PM   #35
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Mary said she thought I was going to get every option they offered if I had long enough to rationalize.
Funny, my wife said the same thing....
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:22 PM   #36
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Hi Hugh, happy you enjoyed visiting our trailer

We did custom Formica as we felt the standard was too dark, and Formica would be too hard to change ourselves later. We are fine with the stock fabric, someday when the cushions need replacing/recovering we'll choose something else and not be too worried that it doesn't match the valences.

The surge protector is fairly sophisticated & has already alerted us to a poorly wired circuit, we're happy we sprung for it.

We have the heat pads as our camping season extends from March to October, and we keep the trailer fairly ready to go in the driveway all through that time. We've already had plenty of freezing weather with the un-winterized trailer sitting here and are very happy to have the heat pads. If we'd known that they're wired together, without separate wires coming through the floor to the switch, we'd have asked for the two pads to be on separate switches so that we could heat the part-full fresh water but not the empty grey while it is sitting here. Instead we have to make sure the grey has some water in it to warm, which is then drained into a bucket before leaving home.
Thanks again for letting me take a look at your trailer last year. I think i've got my options all figured out. I agree the standard formica and fabric is pretty dark and I'm ordering custom. Also going for some custom flooring. I recall you advised me just to have prewired for solar then look around for a panel since the ETI one is pretty expensive. Is that still what you would recommend? One other thing would you recommend the stainless sink and stove or just stick with the stock white? i can't recall what was in your trailer. Thanks again.
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:32 PM   #37
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One other thing would you recommend the stainless sink and stove or just stick with the stock white? Hugh
I chose the stainless sink and stove but this truly is just a matter of preference, not functionality. (One caveat to that is if you use cast iron, as I do, stainless is preferable as it won't crack.) Some think one or the other is harder to clean; I think they both clean up well and look equally as nice.
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:54 PM   #38
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Thanks again for letting me take a look at your trailer last year. I think i've got my options all figured out. I agree the standard formica and fabric is pretty dark and I'm ordering custom. Also going for some custom flooring. I recall you advised me just to have prewired for solar then look around for a panel since the ETI one is pretty expensive. Is that still what you would recommend? One other thing would you recommend the stainless sink and stove or just stick with the stock white? i can't recall what was in your trailer. Thanks again.
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We have white sink & stove, and have no desire for stainless instead. We don't really "do dishes" when camping, and I can't imagine putting one of our cast iron pans in the sink, so that's not a concern. Stove wise, I periodically scrub off the coffee stains that our perk leaves (just like at home) and really don't care otherwise.

We didn't even have the solar pre-wired, but we do have the dual 6V batteries. In the end, we bought a panel & controller from solarwholesaler.ca and ran wiring on the outside of the shell to the batteries, and up into the storage compartment accessed through the outside hatch, where we put the charge controller. No holes in the roof, more charging for the money, and the size & shape of the new panel suited the top of the trailer really well - unlike our old panels that we were originally going to install.
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I would caution about going with a light-coloured fabric. I have what was standard in 2008 and you can tell which side of the dinette I sit on.
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I would caution about going with a light-coloured fabric. I have what was standard in 2008 and you can tell which side of the dinette I sit on.

Glenn a good trick is to match the fabric to the color of beer one drinks, thus we went for a darker color...

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