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Old 01-08-2016, 10:38 PM   #131
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I have always shot for 8-12% tongue weight.
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Old 01-08-2016, 10:38 PM   #132
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A little confused Brian when I picked up trailer Dennis said a little down was Ok . I do have air bags though if I needed it up . F250 no weight or sway hitches . What is ok ? Pat
The problem is knowing what he was calling "little." A little down probably does not matter much but something significant does. So what is significant? Well, we try for level! And we just make sure that we are 10-15%.

Most experts seem to say 10-15 so we try for 11-12. We added propane after pickup as we did not know whether we might be tongue heavy on pickup of the 21'. So only had one tank filled. Then found we could use both filled. A 19' may be different with batteries in the box. Our 21' batteries are at the back.
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:40 PM   #133
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(Strangely some European sites list much lower tongue weight % as safe than US and Canadian sites do)
Yes, European towing practice routinely uses much lower tongue weight. It also includes trailers with the mass more concentrated toward the centre (because that's more stable) than here - no pile of batteries and propane on the tongue and no box of gear on the back. Every recommendation has an appropriate context, and North American travel trailers is not the context for 6% tongue weight.
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:45 PM   #134
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A little confused Brian when I picked up trailer Dennis said a little down was Ok . I do have air bags though if I needed it up . F250 no weight or sway hitches . What is ok ? Pat
Okay is whatever doesn't hurt stability enough to be a concern. Up is more stable than down, but less-than-ideal is reality. Ball mounts usually only come in 2-inch height increments, which is an indication of tolerance - we're not looking for small fractions of an inch here. If you can't see any difference in how much the two axle suspensions are compressed, there probably isn't enough difference to matter much.

The air suspension is handy - just pump the truck back up if it squats down, to avoid a nose-down trailer.

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The problem is knowing what he was calling "little." A little down probably does not matter much but something significant does. So what is significant? Well, we try for level! And we just make sure that we are 10-15%.
Sounds reasonable to me - aim for level, rather than trying to be in some direction from that or just ignoring the attitude.
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:57 PM   #135
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Yes, European towing practice routinely uses much lower tongue weight. It also includes trailers with the mass more concentrated toward the centre (because that's more stable) than here - no pile of batteries and propane on the tongue and no box of gear on the back. Every recommendation has an appropriate context, and North American travel trailers is not the context for 6% tongue weight.
Brian trailer looks pretty level when hitched . Trailer rides pretty good too . I never have any sway . Never has a problem if big rig pass me . I just never weighed trailer which I should do . Just keep putting it off . I really don't carry a lot of stuff in trailer having big truck to use . Just saw the thread and remembered what Dennis said and I am a worry wart . Forgot I carry nothing on the back hitch either .Thanks . Pat
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:58 PM   #136
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The problem is knowing what he was calling "little." A little down probably does not matter much but something significant does. So what is significant? Well, we try for level! And we just make sure that we are 10-15%.

Most experts seem to say 10-15 so we try for 11-12. We added propane after pickup as we did not know whether we might be tongue heavy on pickup of the 21'. So only had one tank filled. Then found we could use both filled. A 19' may be different with batteries in the box. Our 21' batteries are at the back.
Thanks Cathy . Pat
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:02 AM   #137
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If you do a Google search regarding slightly nose up/nose down on dual axle trailers there seems to be people arguing for both slightly nose up or nose down. But nothing I've seen yet seems to be from what I'd consider a reliable source - just opinions. (Strangely some European sites list much lower tongue weight % as safe than US and Canadian sites do)
Thanks Eric for responding . Pat
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:06 PM   #138
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We're dead level with 10% tongue weight. Very stable. But, I'd agree with Brian that if the setup is a choice between slightly nose up or nose down, go slightly up on a tandem axle trailer.
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We're dead level with 10% tongue weight. Very stable. But, I'd agree with Brian that if the setup is a choice between slightly nose up or nose down, go slightly up on a tandem axle trailer.
Thanks Rbryan . Pat
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Old 01-09-2016, 03:41 PM   #140
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Another question ? Would it be good to get one of those 1000 lb Shurline scales ? Does anyone have a good source with a reasonable price also if you recommend . Pat
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