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Old 01-03-2016, 09:35 PM   #31
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I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the difference in bathroom size as a reason for one over the other. That was the deciding factor for us, that and with the 21 you don't have to crawl over the other person to heed the call of nature
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:34 PM   #32
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and with the 21 you don't have to crawl over the other person to heed the call of nature
I'm always somewhat surprised by this comment because it hasn't been our experience. We've had similar beds to the 21, like this one, in RV's. Just the act of moving covers aside and scrambling down to the foot of the bed is enough to make us aware that the other is getting up. Usually prompting a "me too"

The only mobile bed that we've ever had that let one person get out of bed without disturbing the other was an island queen in our aft stateroom.

So the bed situation in the 21 wouldn't ever be a deal maker for us.

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Old 01-03-2016, 11:00 PM   #33
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I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the difference in bathroom size as a reason for one over the other. That was the deciding factor for us, that and with the 21 you don't have to crawl over the other person to heed the call of nature
I have mentioned the bigger bath and so have others in other threads and, yes, that is definitely nice. I would not pick it as the main reason to switch but you do. The main difference to most is still probably the bed and then there is the counter space.

If you are a boondocker, the extra bath space is worth much more and I am just guessing that 21' owners probably do not have as many boondockers among them as for the smaller models. The bigger the trailer gets, the more features and appliances it tends to have and the owners want those items plugged in many times. And then they have campground showers and the rest.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:04 PM   #34
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I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the difference in bathroom size as a reason for one over the other.
I'm actually quite surprised and pleased with the bath size in the 19. The 17 we had was tight in the bath, but the 19 bath is good and I can even stand up to shower.
Now the bath in the Bigfoot 21 had a separate full shower stall or tub/shower and that would make a big difference in a bath to consider. Never have looked at this closely but I've often wondered how Bigfoot got such a nice bath in their 21 with seemingly the same bed next to it as the Escape.
For us personally, the bath difference isn't enough between the 19 and 21 and wouldn't be a factor, but for someone needing any additional room in the bath, it could be a factor.
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Having someone crawl or climb over me and maybe even step on me, is a lot more awakening than the covers moving and some motion nearby. Either of us can scoot off the end of the bed of our 21 with less of a commotion than our previous trailer. But that's just us. Maybe some people are better climbers than scooters. ; ~ )

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Yes, big difference. We can scoot better than climb.
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I'm actually quite surprised and pleased with the bath size in the 19. The 17 we had was tight in the bath, but the 19 bath is good and I can even stand up to shower.
Now the bath in the Bigfoot 21 had a separate full shower stall or tub/shower and that would make a big difference in a bath to consider. Never have looked at this closely but I've often wondered how Bigfoot got such a nice bath in their 21 with seemingly the same bed next to it as the Escape.
For us personally, the bath difference isn't enough between the 19 and 21 and wouldn't be a factor, but for someone needing any additional room in the bath, it could be a factor.
Yes, that's the deal. Everything is relative to what you used to have.

Bigfoots are wider trailers and that costs a lot in mpgs.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:21 PM   #38
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I'm actually quite surprised and pleased with the bath size in the 19. The 17 we had was tight in the bath, but the 19 bath is good and I can even stand up to shower.
Now the bath in the Bigfoot 21 had a separate full shower stall or tub/shower and that would make a big difference in a bath to consider. Never have looked at this closely but I've often wondered how Bigfoot got such a nice bath in their 21 with seemingly the same bed next to it as the Escape.
For us personally, the bath difference isn't enough between the 19 and 21 and wouldn't be a factor, but for someone needing any additional room in the bath, it could be a factor.
I am in the camp of having the bath as small as possible, yet still be able to use when needed. I would MUCH rather have the space for use elsewhere in the trailer.
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Having someone crawl or climb over me and maybe even step on me, is a lot more awakening than the covers moving and some motion nearby. Either of us can scoot off the end of the bed of our 21 with less of a commotion than our previous trailer. But that's just us. Maybe some people are better climbers than scooters. ; ~ )

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In the 19 whoever was on the backside of the bed would just stand up and step over the other person. Very easy to do, with little disruption. Not saying at all it is perfect, but for us a reasonable compromise for the preferred layout. Though for us, this issue will become moot when we get the 5.0, getting a full queen, and easier access to the bed. Still gotta climb though, but over stairs, not each other.
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Now the bath in the Bigfoot 21 had a separate full shower stall or tub/shower and that would make a big difference in a bath to consider.
I'm not at all convinced that a tiny shower and tiny toilet area are better than one larger dual-purpose area, but to many people the separate shower is an important feature... which no Escape has.

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Never have looked at this closely but I've often wondered how Bigfoot got such a nice bath in their 21 with seemingly the same bed next to it as the Escape.
Bigfoot went wide long ago. Although the 21'/5.0TA has the widest Escape body, it is still 8" or 20 cm narrower than a Bigfoot, and that pays off in space for the Bigfoot bathroom.

The comparison here - for those not familiar with the Bigfoot line - is to the 25B21RB (which means 2500-series, moulded fiberglass Bigfoot trailer, 21' overall length, rear bedroom floorplan), which is much like an Escape 21' reversed end-to-end.
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When I ordered the 5.0 I thought it would come with the 21's wider bath, guess that's what you get when you order before one's been built. I bang my elbows a lot in the smaller one, other then that it works. I also see how the wider one would intrude too far into the aisle.
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