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Old 01-05-2016, 01:00 PM   #81
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BlackJack was 3800# axle and 500# tongue- total 4300# coming back from Osoyoos in 2014, maybe a little more now.
What happened to the diet Jim?

BlackJack is going on a diet......
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:03 PM   #82
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Oh, and larger tanks - we dry camp the overwhelming majority of the time and the larger tanks will be much appreciated.
We boondock sometimes especially at the beach or State campgrounds . We use our toliet and bath . The black tank for 2 adults we can go 6-7 days . For fresh water even being conservative , not washing dishes , changed out shower head , because we use the shower everyday . The 20 gal is lacking in our 19 . We have 4 containers filled 2 -6 gal , 1 -5 gal , 1 -3 gal . Giving us a addional 20 gal . Will get us 6-7 days too . If needed more water can take a container and fill it up and put in trailer as needed .For drinking do not use trailer have 3 gal with a dolphin pump . The black tank after 7 days is filled up so bought a 12 gal barebones sewer container and have that , which only needed once so far . Found even using chemical in toilet don't throw a lot of paper down there only what is needed . Dual batteries have folding solar panel and a 1000 watt Honda gen. . We are pretty self contained for a week in our little 19 . Pat
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:32 PM   #83
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Jon - I was hoping you would post with info about the weight project you are working on. And like Jim, that anyone with accurate real world weight numbers of ANY Escapes gets those to Jon. Maybe the link to the spreadsheet could be made as a sticky somewhere here?
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:48 PM   #84
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Jon V posted a very handy spreadsheet with real world weights of a range of brands and sizes of fiberglass trailers. I thought these numbers might help with folks pondering between the 19 and 21.

The average total weight of Escape 19's was 3685#
The average total weight of Escape 21's was 4012#
A difference of 327# average between 19 and 21' Escapes

The lightest 19 was 3130#; heaviest 4140#.
The lightest 21 was 3600#; heaviest 4331#

Tongue weight for 19's were 220# to 480#; average 358#
Tongue weight for 21's were 380# to 500#; average 445#

I think I've got those numbers all correct - please feel free to check my math!

(Edit) I just noticed that the heaviest 19 is over the Escape stated Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 4000#
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Could you add a note on line 144 (the 3600# total weight)? That was our "as delivered" weight - all options and full propane, but no personal items or food.
We run closer to 4300# for an average trip.
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:51 PM   #85
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I currently have a 17 but someday closer to retirement I am going to move up to a larger trailer. But which one? I like the size of the 19 and the lay out but one of the things that I don’t like with the 17 is cooking so close to the bed would like a little more separation between the sink/stove and my bed. The 19 looks like it’s close too but the 21 and the 5.0 TA have great separation between bed and kitchen. I’m guessing my highlander would tow a 21 but I might have a new TV by then anyway.
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:54 PM   #86
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Stove by the bed was Norma's biggest objection to the 19.
I tried, but once she stepped into a 21, she didn't want to look at 19's any more...
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:36 PM   #87
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Stove by the bed was Norma's biggest objection to the 19.
I tried, but once she stepped into a 21, she didn't want to look at 19's any more...
That's what happened here. The first look in the 21 and it was all over. But having a queen size bed in the 21 would be nice, but then the bath would shrink. Can't have it all unless you go to one of those big fifth wheelers. And then if you're going to tow one of those, you might just as well take your whole house with you.

I backed one of those monstrosities in for a gentleman who lacked backing skills, and looking at his trailer it was pretty obvious he had tangled with more than one tree or rock. Loren
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:45 PM   #88
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What happened to the diet Jim?

BlackJack is going on a diet......
I did eliminate a lot of stuff, just need to be reweighed and updated.
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4140 lbs for a 19? I guess I don't feel so bad now about ours scaling at 3320.
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4140 lbs for a 19? I guess I don't feel so bad now about ours scaling at 3320.
You're obviously not an Amazon Prime member.
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