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Old 11-17-2018, 08:28 AM   #1
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We recently sold an Escape 19 so we can upgrade to a 21.

Our build sheet is due in a few days.

1) ...cpaps
The 21 has a fixed double bed location and configuration. Any suggestions for old fart owners who need to sleep with a cpap machine? I assume we'll put a grommet hole in the bottom of an overhead cabinet, so the cpap goes in the cabinet and the power cord droops down through the hole, to a 12 volt receptacle on the wall somewhere above the bed. Has anybody done this and wished they did it differently?

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We live in windy country in Montana. Someone told us to get a "water proofed nylon" trailer cover from CalMark, for twice the price of the Escape cover. Any feedback on that?

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Windows? Frameless (awning style) or sliding left and right framed? We had the framed windows on our now gone 19' footer. They were fine. Frameless costs more and the advantages aren't obvious. What am I missing?

Thank you all. We're Escape fans. We just want bigger and more better.
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Old 11-17-2018, 10:46 AM   #2
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Have Escape install a 12v outlet in the front overhead cabinet and put the machine on the shelf over the bed, there is already a standard 120v outlet there. Frameless thermal windows with extra insulation and foam underneath is the recommended winter use set up.
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Old 11-17-2018, 10:48 AM   #3
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The frameless windows will sweat less since the frame is not exposed to the outside cold temperature which causes frost to form on the inside of the framed windows and when melting, water issues.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:46 AM   #4
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We recently sold an Escape 19 so we can upgrade to a 21.

Our build sheet is due in a few days.

1) ...cpaps
The 21 has a fixed double bed location and configuration. Any suggestions for old fart owners who need to sleep with a cpap machine? I assume we'll put a grommet hole in the bottom of an overhead cabinet, so the cpap goes in the cabinet and the power cord droops down through the hole, to a 12 volt receptacle on the wall somewhere above the bed. Has anybody done this and wished they did it differently?

2)
We live in windy country in Montana. Someone told us to get a "water proofed nylon" trailer cover from CalMark, for twice the price of the Escape cover. Any feedback on that?

3)
Windows? Frameless (awning style) or sliding left and right framed? We had the framed windows on our now gone 19' footer. They were fine. Frameless costs more and the advantages aren't obvious. What am I missing?

Thank you all. We're Escape fans. We just want bigger and more better.
I've considered the 21 Escape and order it with the U dinette option. I would remove the cushions at the back and put a mattress in there place, plus add a short filler to accommodate the 36x80 mattress where the table would normally go to make it a fully size singe bed sleeping area. This should leave two small seating areas on each side for a dinette with a smaller table, yes the dinette cushions would have to be resizes to fix this area. Not sure if Escape would build it this way or not, but if I have to change it it wouldn't be too expensive. I would also ask if Escape would just credit me on the cushions and I could do my own if they don't want to do this small upgrade. Some might not want to make there dining area smaller, for us two eating is all we need.

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Old 11-18-2018, 05:30 AM   #5
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I've considered the 21 Escape and order it with the U dinette option. I would remove the cushions at the back and put a mattress in there place, plus add a short filler to accommodate the 36x80 mattress where the table would normally go to make it a fully size singe bed sleeping area. This should leave two small seating areas on each side for a dinette with a smaller table, yes the dinette cushions would have to be resizes to fix this area. Not sure if Escape would build it this way or not, but if I have to change it it wouldn't be too expensive. I would also ask if Escape would just credit me on the cushions and I could do my own if they don't want to do this small upgrade. Some might not want to make there dining area smaller, for us two eating is all we need.

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The rear dinette is 48"x86". You're taking 36 inches of that for the bed. That leaves only 10" for your 'small' seating and table. Oh my....
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:06 AM   #6
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1) ...cpaps
The 21 has a fixed double bed location and configuration. Any suggestions for old fart owners who need to sleep with a cpap machine? I assume we'll put a grommet hole in the bottom of an overhead cabinet, so the cpap goes in the cabinet and the power cord droops down through the hole, to a 12 volt receptacle on the wall somewhere above the bed. Has anybody done this and wished they did it differently?
I ran 12V & ground lines from below the bed up behind the drivers side corner padding to the shelf, where I mounted a multiple outlet strip (12V cigar type with 2 USB ports) so we can charge our phones, etc overnight.) Also used the same lines to power my TPMS wireless transmitter (mounted under the shelf.)
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:32 AM   #7
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The rear dinette is 48"x86". You're taking 36 inches of that for the bed. That leaves only 10" for your 'small' seating and table. Oh my....
I measured my butt this morning and I need at least 18", looks like I need to re-figure this bed thing, or go on a diet.

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Old 11-18-2018, 06:24 PM   #8
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The rear dinette is 48"x86". You're taking 36 inches of that for the bed. That leaves only 10" for your 'small' seating and table. Oh my....
48-36 is 12" not 10"... so use a 30" mattress, and get 18"
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48-36 is 12" not 10"... so use a 30" mattress, and get 18"
D'OH! I posted at 3:30am, I obviously didn't have enough coffee yet. Oh boy.
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D'OH! I posted at 3:30am, I obviously didn't have enough coffee yet. Oh boy.
Two kinds of people in this world. Those who could sleep on a 30 inch mattress and those who havenít been able to for a long long time. I know where I am at.
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