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Old 07-20-2015, 10:07 PM   #31
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Padlin mentioned getting the aftermarket sensors during the build if you're going to do the spray foam. I'm pretty sure we'll do the spray foam on our 21' (scheduled for Feb 2016). So what is the benefit of the aftermarket sensors over the standard ones?
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:37 AM   #32
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Padlin mentioned getting the aftermarket sensors during the build if you're going to do the spray foam. I'm pretty sure we'll do the spray foam on our 21' (scheduled for Feb 2016). So what is the benefit of the aftermarket sensors over the standard ones?
I think the only alternative to the standard sensors are the Horst Miracle Probes. They give accurate readings even if there is a bit of sludge buildup in the tanks. We got them installed in the Skylark, and we haven't had any problems with false readings. But the trailer is less than a year old, so the jury is still out.

I don't believe that Escape will install the SeeLeveL Probes. At least they wouldn't a year ago.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:51 AM   #33
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There are foam adhesives that are plenty strong enough. Light weight to hold and a huge surface area. But my middle name is "Redundant" I plan to run two straps from the frame under the foam to the other frame, front to back. If the adhesive ever failed the insulating value would drop but the foam wouldn't.

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Old 07-21-2015, 12:59 PM   #34
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Padlin mentioned getting the aftermarket sensors during the build if you're going to do the spray foam. I'm pretty sure we'll do the spray foam on our 21' (scheduled for Feb 2016). So what is the benefit of the aftermarket sensors over the standard ones?
The standard ones are wrong almost as often as they are right. Not just on Escapes, but on most trailers. I know folks with the Horst and have had no problems for years. I of course forgot all about going with them till after the trailer was finished. On the flip side, you do get used to them being wrong and learn to go by how long it's been since you emptied.
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Old 07-21-2015, 01:32 PM   #35
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The standard ones are wrong almost as often as they are right. .
I'm not sure that I'd rate them that high. I never even bother looking at the display. Grey water I don't worry about. Black I look down the toilet and the fresh water tank being translucent, I kneel down and look at the level.

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Old 07-21-2015, 01:38 PM   #36
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6 years and running, and our display still shows fairly close to accurate. I do the same checks as Ron does as the black reads near full, just to confirm.
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Jim - you have the standard probes, or the Horst probes? And yes, I'm already used to not going by the gauges since my Casita doesn't even have them!
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Just the standard ones. I got them back when there was no known of issues though.
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You "can" get accurate readings from the stock probes, but they must be clean. That's hard to do because they're basically a threaded bolt that protrudes into the tank. The surface of that bolt has a tendency for things to cling to it, the small amount of conduction is detected, and the indicator says the tank is full to that sensor's level.

The Horst Probes are a different design. The grey tank probe is a stainless shaft with a flat piece on the end, and about the diameter of a thick sewing needle. The black tank sensor uses a copper shaft, but adds a Teflon cover over the top half so that black tank debris cannot build up on the conductor.

They work very well, and it's kind of cool that we have them, but to be honest, this was a nice to have - definitely not a must have. You also have to consider that they are only available from a few suppliers, they're quite expensive, and they must be supplied to Escape before the build starts.
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The surface of that bolt has a tendency for things to cling to it, the small amount of conduction is detected, and the indicator says the tank is full to that sensor's level.
Which doesn't explain why my fresh water tank only shows 2/3 ( or is it 3/4 ) full when I know it is full. Water shot out the overflow and out the filler, but it's not full according to the monitor.

I plan to spray the sensor contacts with electrical contact cleaner.
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