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Old 07-02-2016, 04:22 PM   #91
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Agreed but an unused reservation can be used (sold) again because it is unused. I'm discussing the event of cancelling a reservation several weeks prior to reserved camping time.
Good point, but there will still be those who reserve any date they might want to use (when they are opened months ahead), and cancel them just before the deadline (still weeks ahead). I don't think that's a good thing to encourage.

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I doubt , other than the actual camping reserver (me), any humans are involved in the BC Provincial Camping reservation system .
I agree, but that doesn't mean that the system costs nothing to run.
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:43 PM   #92
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Good point, but there will still be those who reserve any date they might want to use (when they are opened months ahead), and cancel them just before the deadline (still weeks ahead). I don't think that's a good thing to encourage.


I agree, but that doesn't mean that the system costs nothing to run.
It may not be a good thing to encourage but either is charging for something that is not going to be used (a reservation).

I'm quite sure the system costs something to run but I doubt it runs in the red.
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It may not be a good thing to encourage but either is charging for something that is not going to be used (a reservation).
Aha, but you did use the reservation. You just didn't use the site.
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Aha, but you did use the reservation. You just didn't use the site.
I dunno glen , did the mouse get charged for the hole when he ate the last bite of cheese?
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Economics 101... there's no such thing as a free lunch.


I buy a lot of car parts. I can be charged 10-20% restocking fee if I return a part. I know that upfront when I make the purchase. Not all things cancelled/returned are 100% refunded.
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I think the best solution to all of the issues mentioned in this thread is to eliminate reservations and make all public camping, first come first served. I for one don't need or want reserve America or whatever the reservation organization calls itself. Now, having said that, I know it will never happen. Folks are too insecure to allow the possibility that their favorite spot won't be available when they arrive.
Sounds like a good business plan for the airlines as well. No reservations just show up and hope you get on a flight. No sense making plans.
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Right or wrong, a reservation system, with whatever limitations or flaws or restrictions built in or attached to it, is merely a symptom of a bigger problem. Too little supply, too much demand. Reservation systems are government's way, however misguided and unworkable they end up being, of trying to tone down demand for an increasingly scarce resource.

After decades travelling throughout BC, the western provinces, and much of the western US, and competing for campsites with numbers of campers -- oops! RV'ers -- increasing exponentially faster than the number of spaces to accomodate them, I'd like to see some creative ideas floated by the politicians and the senior policy wonks in government to creating more accessible spaces, or reducing the costs of providing & operating those available, rather than trying to stifle demand by unworkable reservation systems.

Maybe a system of operating parks using volunteers labour, or even community-based resources, as Arizona was doing when we were there a few years ago, might be a partial solution.

I definitely do not like, and would hate to see BC adopt, a two-tier pricing system for residents vs non-residents, as we have discovered is done in Montana & California. I don't believe protectionism is an appropriate solution.

In BC we're at least lucky enough to have the world's second-largest percentage of our land area set aside as parkland (after Costa Rica), even if most of it isn't accessible for folks without the hardcore outdoor skills necessary to hike for days or weeks to access it or the $ to helicopter in to it.
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Economics 101... there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I buy a lot of car parts. I can be charged 10-20% restocking fee if I return a part. I know that upfront when I make the purchase. Not all things cancelled/returned are 100% refunded.
Walmart refunds. You must know that.
Restocking fees for reservations?
True, there's no free lunch but the reservation is.
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Walmart refunds. You must know that.
Restocking fees for reservations?
True, there's no free lunch but the reservation is.
Of course Walmart refunds, it has to do with competition. Retail stores are in competition with one another. There isn't any competition for campgrounds. You take the rules as they are, or go stay on free land somewhere. No one is forced to make a reservation, you agree to the rules when you make them.
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Today I had to cancel a reservation we made for Manning Park in August--I paid 2 $6 reservation fees to get the site (exactly three months out and 2 sites were available to reserve)...Some I know were left as first come first serve--but we have gone up there and not gotten a site...

Today I had to pay a $6 cancellation fee...

I think when your 3 month time is near you have to get on the computer at midnight to reserve...

Have never tried to camp at Golden Ears because it is always SO busy even though it is super close to us.... This is the one I think that they were talking about on the news the other night....
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