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Old 07-02-2016, 10:08 PM   #101
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Walmart refunds. You must know that.
Try buying special-order specialty auto parts at Walmart
For that matter, try returning anything to Walmart for a refund after their time limit, or returning without a receipt expecting to get cash back.
Different businesses, different conditions... different rules.

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Restocking fees for reservations?
Sure. A partial refund would effectively be a restocking fee, and just like a restocking fee it would discourage people from ordering and changing their minds.

It is not uncommon for a deposit (for a custom-built product, or for an event registration) to be non-refundable or only partially refunded if the order is cancelled too late.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:23 AM   #102
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Try buying special-order specialty auto parts at Walmart
For that matter, try returning anything to Walmart for a refund after their time limit, or returning without a receipt expecting to get cash back.
Different businesses, different conditions... different rules.


Sure. A partial refund would effectively be a restocking fee, and just like a restocking fee it would discourage people from ordering and changing their minds.

It is not uncommon for a deposit (for a custom-built product, or for an event registration) to be non-refundable or only partially refunded if the order is cancelled too late.
But we're not really talking or discussing about Walmart or car parts or special items or events are we? We're discussing camping reservations.
And I'd like to see reservations returned if they are canceled within a printed time frame and concidered a down payment or deposit or money towards the camping stay if used, not just taken away.
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:26 AM   #103
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And I'd like to see reservations returned if they are canceled within a printed time frame and concidered a down payment or deposit or money towards the camping stay if used, not just taken away.
This is something you would need to take up with your elected officials. Even if you receive 100% agreement of the membership here on the EscapeForum, nothing is going to change.


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Old 07-03-2016, 10:40 AM   #104
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This is something you would need to take up with your elected officials. Even if you receive 100% agreement of the membership here on the EscapeForum, nothing is going to change.
Precisely my point earlier in this thread. RV'ers are a pretty large contingent, but that does no good unless you make your voice heard by the powers that be.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:11 AM   #105
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Many States and Counties are no longer using general tax revenue to support their parks and are expecting the parks to be self supporting . I think the chances of parks refunding reservation fees or holding the line or cutting camping fees are SLIM & None.
The money to run the parks has to come from somewhere and the reservation system is a vital funding source.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:26 AM   #106
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We didn't go to Yellowstone last summer because I didn't want to be one of those stalking the folks who were leaving in order to get a campsite. Two years a go in Glacier we did just that and ended up with a great site, but I really don't like doing it. Making reservations ahead is something we do, but even then you never know. To get our sites in the Thousand Islands this summer, we were online at precisely 9 A.M last November when the sites became available. I look at the cancellation and registration fees as part of the cost, but it can add up.

So the bottom line problem seems to be not enough campsites during the peak times. Here's my radical idea that will go nowhere, but it would work -- cut back on the number of monthsthat kids have to be in school so that families can camp from May until October -- that will spread things out a bit except for the places where the snow doesn't melt until July. That way the kids might even look forward to going back to school.

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This is something you would need to take up with your elected officials. Even if you receive 100% agreement of the membership here on the EscapeForum, nothing is going to change.


I pretty much doubt, by reading these responses, that I'd get 100% agreement on this site. And I wasn't trying to. It took over 100 posts to get my point across as it is!!
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We didn't go to Yellowstone last summer because I didn't want to be one of those stalking the folks who were leaving in order to get a campsite. Two years a go in Glacier we did just that and ended up with a great site, but I really don't like doing it. Making reservations ahead is something we do, but even then you never know. To get our sites in the Thousand Islands this summer, we were online at precisely 9 A.M last November when the sites became available. I look at the cancellation and registration fees as part of the cost, but it can add up.

So the bottom line problem seems to be not enough campsites during the peak times. Here's my radical idea that will go nowhere, but it would work -- cut back on the number of monthsthat kids have to be in school so that families can camp from May until October -- that will spread things out a bit except for the places where the snow doesn't melt until July. That way the kids might even look forward to going back to school.

Just my two cents.
We woke up to 39 Deg F last Saturday July 2nd, 2016 . Extending summer vacation would mean shortening the school year and would do little if anything in our area to lengthen the camping season.
Plus with the number of baby boomers retiring every year , the problem of crowded parks during the prime season is only going to get worse.
Families with children are losing out to the senior citizens who have more free time and expendable income..
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We've always been shoulder season travelers to avoid bugs and the crowds. You can still avoid the bugs, not so much the crowds. At least in the popular areas.
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We've always been shoulder season travelers to avoid bugs and the crowds. You can still avoid the bugs, not so much the crowds. At least in the popular areas.
Bob, we found out, with all of us baby boomers hitting the road now, that even the fall can be crowded. We pulled into the Capital Reef campground around noon in early October only to find we scored the last open campsite. We talked with a Ranger who told us that October has become one of their busiest month now. She was also boomer age, and said look around at the age of the majority of the folks here.
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